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Post Options Post Options   Quote James Bell Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Jan 05 at 10:49pm
Terrible name but a very nice looking hull. I'm guessing the price would be 4,995.

With regards to names I seem to recall some story about the Spark selling poorly until they renamed it the Dart 15. Apparently, 'Spark' sounded too whimpy and pathetic whereas 'Dart' sounded dynamic and exciting. I don't know if there's any truth to that story, but if there is, it's a bit of a surprise that the Dart 15 class are considering the Spark name again after being forced by Laser to change the boats name.... <hops over to the Dart 15 website> ... oh they appeared to have  now settled on the new name of Sprint 15.
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4 more pics of the "vago" http://www.lasersailing.com/gallery/uk/vago

looks nice, i can't find a price for it tho
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just an after thought, if u follow the link above then down the side goto vital stastics it says the boats lengh is 2.3meters (boat length) ive worked that out to be 7.5 feet surly that can't be right for a 2 person aysametric trapeze boat
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Post Options Post Options   Quote *GM* Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Jan 05 at 8:09pm
Errrr, I think you'll find that it say's the "Boom length" is 2.3m  The boat is 4.2m.
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LOL!!! oh well, i really need to read more carefully
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Don't you think that Laser and Topper really need to get over this we design one, you design one...........Magno.....Vago etc It doesn't do the sport any good.  Look at the EPS, a knee jerk reaction to Blaze.  One was carefully thought out the other was just thrown together coz they thought they may lose some market share................one lives, one is long buried.  Topper bring out the Magno and Omega and oh suprise suprise Laser pop out the Vago..........YAWN.

Its going to get as bad as Peugeot, Ford etc with 50,000 models each of the same size boat with head rests and a CD player in one but rear head rests and a DVD player in the other?  More diluted C*%P.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote *GM* Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Jan 05 at 10:31pm

They're not in it for the good of the sport though - they're in it to make money.

And I still say the eps is a better boat than the Blaze (which sure as hell wasn't "carefully thought out")!

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Looks like its one to try and sell to all the sailing schools and holiday companies - bet it weighs a ton too...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Barty Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Jan 05 at 8:01am

Being in it for the money is bad for the sport.  Look at where the development has mainly come from.  Its not the companies like Laser and Topper that design the 'quick fix for the sailing schools'.  Its from the people that are passionate about the sport and want to move it forward. 

The blaze was designed properly, i.e. it took time and was refined.  Maybe 'carefully thought out' was a bad choice of words.  The EPS was a knee jerk reaction. Sailors vote with their feet, boats that are good, sell and are sailed.  Do we need another 2 man boat with asymetric and wire???  Do we need another boat with two rigs.

The Blaze comes in at No. 35 in the nationals table and has had around 15-20 boats every year from 1998.  The EPS is at 185 and only has figures for 1999 and 2000 with falling numbers.  The blaze must be doing something right!!!!

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Granite Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Jan 05 at 1:29pm
At least you should be able to melt the polyethylene hull down and turn it into something usefull when you have finished with it. better than the ecological disasters that glass fiber boats are.
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