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Phil eltringham
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Topic: VAGO Posted: 20 Feb 05 at 3:04pm |
sorry if this sounds a little flippant, its not meant to be. its just that you can argue everything both ways and this is a welcome distraction from trying to design an oceanographic research vessel. |
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Harry44981!
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 20 Feb 05 at 4:21pm |
All true for a training boat Phil, but the topper is Rya approaved so has that training in form of zone and national squads etc. and Topper have their own national squad too, and spesific regional training. If you own one you'll want it too look better, both are ugly boats but the topper has better colours. the toppers aft and centre main are within class regualtions and can be raced with unlike pico. The controlls are vital for higher level competition, and if you dont want them you can stick with the original standard (crap) ones. I don't know where that topper quote came from, I got mine fully race rigged, trolley etc. for aout £2000 brand new, don't buy 'em from topper international them rip you off. The centreboard sticking out less far is less of an issue for righting than that the pico hull is really heavy. I suppose a pico is better for sticking someone whos never sailed before in, but for racing or anything slightly competitve it doesn't even get close to the topper, laser 4.7 or oppie. |
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hurricane
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 20 Feb 05 at 4:22pm |
I KNEW that would cause an argument thats why i said it
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Harry44981!
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 20 Feb 05 at 4:24pm |
Healthy disscussion is far better than French homework! |
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Phil eltringham
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 20 Feb 05 at 5:01pm |
The RRP prices came straight off the respective manufactueres websites. The actual mass of the boat is not that important for righting from a capsize, the important point is where the centre of gravity is in relation to the centre of the underwater volume of the hull on its side (moment of rig which you pull against to right) also the pico hull does drain out faster than a toppers. (I think pico mast top sections are sealed too unlike a topper's, which helps stop inversions) I think the point is that neither boat is "better" than the other, it is just that they do different jobs, so direct comparisson is kind of pointless! |
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Harry44981!
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 20 Feb 05 at 5:41pm |
Yup well said Phil, (btw the topper top sections are sealed- the new ones are anyway)
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stuarthop
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 20 Feb 05 at 7:45pm |
topers are easier to sail now with the centre main kit. my bro had to test it for harken as part of his sponsership and he loved it. its also made the transition into a radial easier for him
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Contender443
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 20 Feb 05 at 8:03pm |
Better not say that Harry there is a French teacher on this forum and she is watching you |
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Garry
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 20 Feb 05 at 8:48pm |
Not sure I agree with that - but it does give people the option and makes transition from an oppie and then on easier. And I'm not saying that because I don't have experience of sailing centre sheeted boats. For someone like me who's too heavy for a Topper it noticable puts my weight in the wrong place when tacking or gybing - if I was ever to think about racing it centre-main I'd have to tack facing aft (like in Europes)... I think the jury is still out. |
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Garry
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Harry44981!
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 21 Feb 05 at 8:06am |
Centre main is far better in heavy airs in chop, with aft we had to do this funny twisting chop technique, but it's alot better with centre main. Plus facing forwards is good.
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