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Post Options Post Options   Quote sailor girl Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Jan 05 at 2:50pm
Nope i wasnt at the nationals, i only crew for club races unfortunatly.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Ian S Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Jan 05 at 4:11pm

By come and gone I was refering to boats that were either no longer being built by the original manufacturer or had apparently stopped production altogether.

Actually the B14 is a good case to back up my point about sailors being fickle,  aren't most of them ex - lark sailors??

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Phil eltringham Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Jan 05 at 5:24pm
True, the reason why B14 production moved to Ovi's was because RS started telling people who came in wanting to get a b14 to get an 800 instead, class obviously were not to chuffed at this and moved builder.  too be fair though, a b14 is a fair bit faster than a lark, i can't blame them for the switch, can you?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Lucy Lee Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Jan 05 at 6:38pm

Originally posted by Ian S

Actually the B14 is a good case to back up my point about sailors being fickle,  aren't most of them ex - lark sailors??

Er, isn't everyone an ex-lark sailor? That is, anyone who sailed at university would have been a lark sailor. Mind you, I seem to remember spending most of the time bailing the d*mn things out and not actually sailing.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Blobby Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Jan 05 at 4:07am
Originally posted by Ian S

Look at the number of "new" boats that have come and gone, iso, Laser 2, Boss, B14, L3k, L5k. Not to mention some of the single handers and no doubt some cats as well.

Laser II - designed in about 1980, still going strong after 25 years - that is hardly "come & gone".

B14 never really came in the first place did it?

 

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Blobby Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Jan 05 at 4:13am
Originally posted by Ian S

Actually the B14 is a good case to back up my point about sailors being fickle,  aren't most of them ex - lark sailors??

So you aren't allowed to change classes now?

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Ian S Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Jan 05 at 12:17pm

erm, sorry, I assumed that as it's no longer listed in Lasers catalogue and you don't seem to be able to get little spares like foils and masts that it was an ex dinghy, pushing up the daisies, deceased etc (and it's no even green:-)

And changing class is ok, but the point is that it's a fad thing, new boat comes in, group of sailors move into it, next new thing arrives and they shift to that - this results in lots of abandoned classes which isn't good for the sport, other than to ensure a supply of cheap secondhand boats which can be difficult to get spares for and have no real support structure.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Blobby Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Jan 05 at 3:19am

And my point was 25 years isn't exactly "come & gone"...

On the subject of new classes damaging sailing, Every single class was new once for heavens sake!

If new boats didn't come along:

only I14s, Cherubs and Int. Canoes would have assymetric kites,

only I14s and Cherubs would have twin wires

the Contender would be the only trapeze single hander

Catamarans would not exist

How can sailing develop if new classes don't come along and mass market the good stuff from the development classes?  Not everybody wants to sail a Cherub or I14, N12, Merlin or Moth, but loads of people like assymetric kites, single & twin wiring, efficient hiking boats etc.

HOWEVER - a class ceasing to exist because the manufacturer is ready to move on and make some money off the fashion thing is not brilliant.  The only solution I can see is if manufacturer's were to agree that once they had had enough of supporting a class, they would donate the moulds to the Class Association along with the necessary rights, then classes could continue to exist for as long as people were enthusiastic enough to sail them...

Rant over, soapbox put away.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote carshalton fc Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Jan 05 at 8:50pm
getting back to the laser 2 as you lot just say it is a dead class.  there arnt many double handed boats that you can pick up for under 1000 and there is just loads of them.  also it is a laser so they a going to have spare parts for many years to come which is a good thing if you by a laser2.   
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Post Options Post Options   Quote sjm. Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Jan 05 at 9:49am

Having recently changed to a Laser 2 I could be biased of course, but the Laser centre still lists and sells all spares, so they're not difficult at all to obtain new ( although I concede masts may be a different story )

With 22 boats at last years nationals the attendance may be down on many other classes but it's still quite good. Taking my club in isolation there are 3 of them, while there are no merlins or fireballs, for example, which makes it a better supported class in this instance. And the potential is there for the three boats to interact with each other and attract new interest.

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