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Anyone having an opinion on the RS700 in the future?

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Well a Contender sailor just had to answer the last post regarding the RS700

If you look back at the start of the RS600 everyone thought it would kill off the Contender - but it didn't. And it now looks like the 600 will be the one that does not survive. This is because the RS700 has taken sailors from the 600s.

The RS700 also has competition from the Musto Skiffs. The difference here is that the Mustos are marketed differently and seem to have more of a European coverage. Only time will tell if both boats can "survive" and be successful.

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Originally posted by Harry44981!

brian i doubt the 29er will be around for ages, itll prob. be dead by the time you've even sailed one!


Dunno, the Bethwaite classes have generally done well for longevity. The Laser 2 is the only one that really looks well down in the UK and there are lots elsewhere in the world. The only one that really seems to be on the way out (well never started really) is the 3000, which AIUI was just a new deck and rig slung on the L2 hull (labelled stopgap!) without the kind of R&D the Betwhaites do on their boats.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Harry44981! Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Jan 05 at 5:56pm

Well but the beauty of those boats is you can just sell it on for the new tech. boat every couple of years.

Yeh i think i agree with the fireball being big, we're thinking of getting one after the worlds 2nd hand, there should be some good deals then, or an rs200.



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How do you guys rekon the new byte rig will do?? i'm not sure whether to wait and try and save for it (which will take sooo long!!) or get a new old original sail. I want to make sure i have a new sail for the nationals in june, and i know i could easily get a new 'old' rig, but is it worth it to wait for the new one/ what do people think??? Help!!!

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Originally posted by sailor girl

How do you guys rekon the new byte rig will do?? i'm not sure whether to wait and try and save for it (which will take sooo long!!) or get a new old original sail. I want to make sure i have a new sail for the nationals in hune, and i know i could easily get a new 'old' rig, but is it worth it to wait for the new one/ what do people think??? Help!!!


I understood the manufacturs were doing deals on the upgrade... Think you'd regret the old sail.
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speak to someone who has one first
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Post Options Post Options   Quote redback Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Jan 05 at 9:49pm
I think time on the water is always the best way to improve, so buy a second hand boat with the old rig and save for the new rig.  In time you'll get the new rig and appreciate it all the more in the meantime you'll have gained some valuable experience.  If in doubt, my moto is, "get sailing".
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Rob.e Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Jan 05 at 9:51pm
Going back to the 470, I remember when it got chosen for the olympics (over the Fireball as far as we where concerned) the 'ball was "the" boat in this country, but the 470 was massive on the continent. I think I'm probably typical of Brit sailors, in that I know nothing of what goes on abroad, except that the sailing scene seems very different. I guess the Musto skiff could benefit from it's international success, while the 700 will only prosper as long as LDC care. Bit like the contender/600 debate. I think if I had a 600 I would not be too happy with LDC! (But then again, as a former 300 owner, I'm a bit jaded where they are concerned!!!)
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Post Options Post Options   Quote redback Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Jan 05 at 10:04pm

Will the Contender survive?  Yes, probably even if its just as a trainer for the higher performance single handers.  I know that's hard to take for a Contender owner but I used to sail a Scorpion and at the time there was only one non-trapeze boat that was faster.  Look at the Scorpion now, a lovely boat but slow.  The same goes for the Contender a lovely boat but slow. 

However there is salvation for the Contender and also for many of the older designs.  The modern designs are faster in a blow but often not faster in the light stuff (just compare a 5o5 with a Laser 4000), so be prepared for the Contender to be called fast in the light stuff (hard to believe, I know).

I have sailed a Contender and its nice and steady and reputedly good on the sea.  What I didn't like was having to go so far aft during the tack and also touching your nose on the floor to avoid the boom as it came across.  Fabulous boat upwind in a 4.

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