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Post Options Post Options   Quote Black no sugar Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Nov 07 at 5:51pm
Originally posted by Franco

Originally posted by Franco

Actually you can......read below.

Below a statement from Sail NZ daily e-newsletter which I receive each morning.

On the ISAF front, criticism of the chosen event card for 2012 Olympics seems to be near universal. The process for reversal/change is reasonably simple. All that is required is that a National Authority puts forward a submission advocating that a change be made and get support from other National Authorities for that move.

While that might not suit those who like bureaucracy and order, the unfortunate reality of life, is that we live in a democratic society. Bad decisions can be undone – provided they have majority support. And with the close voting of last week, it only takes a couple to jump the fence (or not abstain from voting) and the deal is done!

 

Yeah you've said it before but.... would they listen?!

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Originally posted by Black no sugar

Yeah you've said it before but.... would they listen?!



Go here and email Rod....
http://www.rya.org.uk/AboutRYA/contactus/feedback.htm#Loop
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Dear Goran,

2012 Olympic Sailing Competition - Decision on Events

I write on behalf of the RYA, and many other organisations, commentators and sailors, who believe that the decisions made by ISAF last month on the 2012 Olympic Events are not in the best interests of the sport of sailing throughout the world and should be reviewed. We believe the decisions could prejudice our future as an Olympic sport, and restrict the global growth of sailing, for the reasons highlighted below.

However, if ISAF takes the opportunity to review the decisions in May 2008, the Executive and Council members will then be able to take into account all the comments and feedback that November’s decision has generated, and as a result sailing will be stronger and our future more secure.

1. The decisions weaken sailing as an Olympic sport, and do not comply with IOC guidelines

The IOC has specified that the inclusion of sports within the Olympic Programme should be supported through analysis of each sport against identified criteria, and that to be considered for admission to the Olympic Programme, a sport must show a direct emphasis on youth and development.

IOC’s current evaluation is that sailing has a low number of nations taking part, very low hours of television and number of viewers, high television production costs, and that ISAF has a very high reliance on Olympic revenues.

In its 2002 report, the IOC Commission stated that sailing has a high number of events in comparison to its media appeal, and that its cost and complexity presented challenges to the development of the sport. As a result, in addition to recommending a reduction in the number of events, the Commission noted that keelboat Events are expensive both in Equipment and infrastructure, and recommended the reduction in Events be made through the exclusion of keelboat events.

The 2005 IOC report states that in order to improve the presentation of its sport, ISAF has introduced ‘Equipment innovation introducing faster and more spectacular boats’.

However, the decisions now made by ISAF in November 2007 run counter to both the wishes of the IOC, and ISAF’s earlier response to IOC. These decisions mean that ISAF is:

• removing the highest performance boat (multihull) and choosing not to include a women’s high performance dinghy,

• preserving the more expensive keelboat Equipment and infrastructure, and introducing additional match racing infrastructure cost, and

• preserving those Events that suit the resources and physiques of established Olympic sailing nations and are hardest for new nations to break into.

Given that ISAF has to reduce the number of Events from 11 to 10 in 2012, priority should be given to Events that are lower cost, more globally inclusive, and more spectacular.

2. The current decisions will bring fewer new nations and young sailors into the sport of Sailing

Our Council members are required, when exercising their vote, to ‘have regard to the interest of the sport of yachting throughout the world as a whole’. Sailing federations can only attract public funds and support when there is suitable Equipment available, and there is some prospect of Youth Championship and Olympic competition. Only if we maximise the appeal of Olympic Events among young people, and in emerging sailing countries, will we grow our sport.

ISAF should ensure its Olympic Events, taken as a whole, support a range of athlete physiques and weights to suit all countries, test as wide a range of sailing skills as possible, and appeal to the youth of the world to attract them into sailing, or retain them in the sport. To minimise overheads in-country, ISAF should be maximising commonality between Men and Women events.

Against this background, ISAF’s November decision runs counter to the direction ISAF needs to take because:

• Women have been denied a high performance Event, despite the Men’s high performance Event receiving 34 out of 36 votes. Events Committee recommended increasing the number of high-performance Events by 1, Council decided to reduce it by 1.

• The women’s high performance dinghy would have helped to reduce the loss from our sport of youth women sailors looking to sail a modern 2-person dinghy at the highest level.

• Multihull sailing is common throughout the world, from inexpensive off-the-beach holiday sailing to long distance racing, and could therefore grow nation participation. However ISAF has removed this option and potentially alienated this group of sailors.

The keelboat is normally the most expensive Equipment for MNAs to support and does not suit typical Asian physique. And now Men’s keelboat racing is fleet racing, Women’s is match. This further increases costs, and makes our sport even harder to explain to the media.

• Match racing events typically support far fewer entrants than fleet racing, and will be the most expensive Olympic event (in terms of officials, number of coaches, and supplied Equipment),

• The skills demanded by Men’s keelboat are very similar to those demanded by both Men’s 1-person dinghies today - for instance many Star competitors have previously competed in the 1-person dinghy Events. Whereas multihull and high performance dinghies typically test different skills, and would therefore enable additional sailors and nations to experience Olympic competition.

3. Voting Procedure

We also believe the amendment to the voting procedure agreed by Council was hasty, and has subsequently been shown to be unwise. The Working Party’s May 2007 report to Executive and Events Committee had identified that no Event should be excluded unless it received less than 50% of votes, either in the first ballot or in a subsequent run-off ballot.

The consequence of Council using a different procedure was that Council never actually made a choice between specific alternatives, and both the Multihull and Women’s High Performance Events have been excluded even though they both received over 50% of votes. In addition the changed procedure opened the door to tactical voting. These are the two main reasons why, we believe, the ISAF Council decision to overturn the recommendation of Events Committee has been greeted with so much disbelief and loss of respect.

We therefore request that ISAF does not nominate to IOC the list of Events for the 2012 Olympic Regatta on 18th March. We request that instead ISAF defers this nomination, and reconsiders the voting procedure and Events decision at its May 2008 Council meeting.

Yours sincerely

Chris Atkins, GBR
ISAF Councillor, Group A

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Chew my RS Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Dec 07 at 1:47pm
I think you need to make it clear whether that is actually a letter from the RYA or something you would like them to write - big difference!
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Def a letter FROM the RYA
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Further to my previous comments, at last we see some sense and great that the RYA, ISAFs biggest sailing nation by numbers is leading the way. As Chris has pointed out, the vote goes against so much of what had been agreed prior to and during Estorial. Hopefully now ISAF has been given a way to reconsider the vote without bringing their own process into conflict. Though legitimate by the way the rules have been set, allowed for tactical voting and the exclusion of 2 large growth areas in sailing (women's high performance and cats). Maybe now we may get something of a spectical for 2012.

Post this process though, we as a sailing public need to call for a reworking of the committees at the highest level at ISAF so that they truelly represent what is going on a grass roots level as well as that preceived by those known as the Blazer brigade.

This would mean we would need at least 2 floating none MNA representatives being elected who have either or both hig performance or cat experience. There may be a case for electing these persons from the Selection technical committee. This would give a truer balance to the direction in which ISAF is perceived to be heading.

The bottom line is, if the IOC deslect sailing in 2016, which without change may be a real possibility, ISAF will lose a lot of its funding and without increased input from the MNAs, would see ISAF become a smaller and possibly marginal force over time.

Therefore, I feel that if ISAF has been given an opportunity to address the situation. They should consider it and the consequences very carefully and hopefully order a revote with delay of issuing detail to the IOC. If the mid year option is not possible due to the IOCs insistance, then an emergancy meeting should be called in the New Year to meet all IOC requirements.

So lets see and hope for commom sense.

Bye for now

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Dec 07 at 4:13pm
Hmm Paul Henderson finally got his daughters match racing nominated at
someone elses expense I see. For a long while he'd targeted windsurfing.

I hope that letter strikes home, but knowing the ISAF and it's shall we say
not entirely kosher set up I very much doubt it.

Women match racing keelboats well that's really a popular sailing activity I
can't wait for the floods of would be participants.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Chris 249 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Dec 07 at 8:27pm
Barnesie, could you please look at Y & Y's list of national titles attendances, and demonstrate how women's skiff types and cats are "large growth areas of the sport?".

All the figures I can work out indicate that cats are growing (good) but only at the same rate as the rest of nationals attendances, while skiff types are actually declining slightly in raw numbers (bad) and by a long way compared to other classes (very bad). While the % of women may possibly be increasing, where is your evidence that women's high performance sailing is a growth area of significance? How far will it have to grow before it equals women's leadmining?

I think there's evidence in another thread here that the vast majority of sailors,  who sail slow/medium speed boats which is where most of the numbers and growth are, are getting heartily sick and tired of fast boat people falsely claiming to be the growth areas and the future of the sport.
 

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Chas 505 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 Feb 08 at 9:16am

After all the debate about Olympic classes, I started wondering how an around GBR race could fit into the Olympics?

It could be single handed - or even 2 handed - which might make the whole thing more appealing.....and keep the number of athletes down.

It would certainly be iconic.  The yachting in Sydney was in front of the bridge.....the Aussies using what was there to advantage - so I tried to imagine what a similar thing might be for the UK.

If the start was right after the opening ceremony (maybe Cowes, maybe Weymouth) then presumably the finish would be achievable before the closing ceremony.

That would surely provide a great spectacle, and might give a great coverage to showcase GBR as a backdrop to the whole event.

The reason I liked the idea of 2-handed, was that then you could put a series of 8 - 10 "gates" off the major coastal cities around GBR, and part of the race could be along the front of the docks (something visible from the shore)

Any thoughts from anyone who knows more about this than me, or is it just unrealistic?

 

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