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sorry thought it was single trapeze spinny boats!!!
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What's all this about a class for 180 kilos - who wants to sail with the Weight watcher brigade!

Gordon - 120 kilos before Christmas.

PS Why not a boat for two average second row forwards, say 210 beofore hitting the beer: there used to be the Star before the football playing countries voted in a pernicious weight limit!

 

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When you get to the age of 54 helm & 64 crew, who still want competive racing, who do you turn to !

A sailing  partnership that has last for 20 years, from 505, & FD needs something to evolve into. We have tried a Boss, but the helm isn't agile enough to cross from rack/rack and an Iso which isn't roomy enough for 2 large adults.

Given that we are looking for an assymetric dingy - where do we go from here!!!!

 

 

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u could try a B14, perhaps more relaxed than a trapezer, i woulnt know tho, havnt sailed one.
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I'm a 56 year old, my crew about 46 and all up weight before kit of about 165kg.  We love the 4000 but we do go swimming quite often and we are certainly competitive at club level.  A nice thing about the 4000 is that its not as bad as some of the skiffs when the wind drops to practically nothing.  For instance the B14 and the RS800 park up.
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Would prefer to sail a Marblehead - another pre-war class! THe new boats are very radical but at you can blame the designer if you aren't winning. However, I'm not to sure about the armchair and pipe bot - having been an judge at many RC events I found that the sailors could get very worked up, so that refereeing became quite a physical job.

With lots of protests needing an immediate hearing RC racing is of course by far the best way to train protest committees.

Every club should have a RC fleet - there would then be no excuse for starting dinghy races in 0.1 knots of wind - more than enough for a Marblehead with a big rig.

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As a 105kg 2nd row forward I agree wholeheartedly with your criteria for a boat. There are far too many designs suitable only for skinny weaklings.

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Hi everyone,

I think that it was Uffa Fox who once said "The only thing that weight is any good for is steamrollers".  Unfortunately, in our sport of dinghy racing, I think that he was spot on.  Most of the double handed classes, and particularly the modern ones, seem to cater for crews in the 20 - 24 stones range to be competitive. 

Before I started sailing, in my mid thirties, I had played rugby union from being a child. In that sport very good 'big uns' would always beat very good 'little uns' as the playing field was always the same.  In dinghy racing, I would suggest that the opposite applies and being light is a great asset.  Even when the 'playing field' changes and it is blowing a hooligan, the very good 'little uns' still cope well because of skill, experience and the fact that modern rigs are so controllable.

Even in boats like the 505 where the crew on the wire can be quite heavy, many of the helms are still very light e.g. Ian Pinnell.  No matter how a boat is designed for two 'heavyweight' sailors, there will always be very good 'scrum halves' racing them and at great advantage in lighter winds.

Ian (95kgs./15st.) - Yorkshire Dales S.C.

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Ian,

You are quite right in what you say, but my initial question was not so much about who is sailing the boat, although with such weight equalisation systems around these days, it's not some much about the weight mix of the combined crews, but more about the range of boats currently available. Without exception, all the modern trapeze assymetrical boats cater for a weight range up to 21/24 stone. Those of us who have had a sailing partnership that has spanned 505 & FD racing and now desire to further the enjoyment of these 'new designs', don't have a boat for which 26ish stone is suitable! We have tried the Boss but this helm at 54 is too long in the tooth to react quickly enough to helming from the wire, with the nimble reactions required. We have also tried the Iso, because our local club had a class of them, but we found it cramped! At 100+ kgs the Laser 4000 is too heavy up & down a shingle beach ( back to the good old days of the FD).

In must be possible surely in this day & age to develop a light weight 'skiff' with single trapese, to fit our needs ( and that of many others, I think).

 

 

 

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