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    Posted: 08 Dec 04 at 3:10pm

I notice that the new set of ISAF rules will come into effect.  Does anybody know what the main changes are for the next few years?

 

On another note, if YOU could make up three rules for racing, what would they be?

Mine would be

  1. Ban compasses that tell you when to tack.
  2. Allow unlimited pumping and rocking in stronger winds - al la 470
  3. Restrict the number of new classes to 1-2 a year per manufacturer

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Originally posted by lozza

  1. Restrict the number of new classes to 1-2 a year per manufacture

wow that now that is  good idea!!!!

em one of the main rule changes is the trapeze harness rule that has already been debated!!! i hate that rule!! already
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Originally posted by lozza

Restrict the number of new classes to 1-2 a year per manufacturer

Why not ban new classes and make  manufacturers build to the rules of the  classes we already have?

That way there isn't an explosion of new classes, and the manufacturers compete to make the best (value for money and performance) versions of the current boats.

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The rules changes coming into effect is represent a  gradual evoluation... there is nothing revolutionary IMHO. 
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Originally posted by Lucy Lee

Why not ban new classes and make manufacturers build to the rules of the  classes we already have?

That sounds interesting, i'd like to see a laser built scorpion or an RS flying dutchman.  Built with modern techniques and materials and updated rigs, could be good.

 

Come on guys, what rules would YOU want to see?
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i dont think restriciting it to 1-2 new classes is a good idea. They should say the introduction of the new class should be voted on or something- so 1 year there could be 12 new classes and none for the next five years!? This would mean only the more worthwhile classes would be accepted. Though how would you determine an uneccessary class?

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Both Y&Y and Dinghy Mag have run articles on the changes. They are more subtle than significant! Although two turns versus 720 means you need to think about how you do your turns especially on a run!
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The article in Y&Y contained a major error - contrary to what was stated rule 18 does apply at a windward mark. There is an exception to this rule - when boats are on opposite tacks!

 

One can only hope that this blunder was due to some over-enthusiastic sub-editing. However there seems to be a wide-spread misconception concerning the application of this rule - which is simple if explained logically

 

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Go on then Gordon,  enlighten us.
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Here is the first part of  rule 18:

18 ROUNDING AND PASSING MARKS AND OBSTRUCTIONS

In rule 18, room is room for an inside boat to round or pass between an outside boat and a mark or obstruction, including room to tack or gybe when either is a normal part of the manoeuvre.

18.1 When This Rule Applies

Rule 18 applies when boats are about to round or pass a mark they are required to leave on the same side, or an obstruction on the same side, until they have passed it. However, it does not apply (a) at a starting mark surrounded by navigable water or at its anchor line from the time the boats are approaching them to start until they have passed them, or (b) while the boats are on opposite tacks, either on a beat to windward or when the proper course for one of them, but not both, to round or pass the mark or obstruction is to tack.

In other words, if 2 boats are approaching a windward mark on the same tack, rule 18 will apply even if both boats have to tack to round the buoy.

Typical situation, 2 or more overlapped boats approach the windward mark (to be left to port) on port tack. The boat(s) overlapped on the outside must give room to the windward inside boat to round the mark, including room to bear away if windward boat has overstood and room to tack.

Remember this rule also applies at an obstruction, which may be a right of way boat. If our two boats overlapped on port are required to give way to a starboard tack boat the outside boat must give room to the inside boat to clear the right of way boat.

Hope this is clear, if not don't hesitate to ask for more detail.

 

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