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Lukepiewalker
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Topic: Adults protesting children Posted: 26 Apr 07 at 6:04pm |
Or there is the other option, they could just have shouted at them on the water until they cried rather than putting them through the horror of the protest...
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Charlie
Far too distracted from work Joined: 08 May 06 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 209 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 26 Apr 07 at 6:44pm |
Just get them to do some team racing, they'll learn the rules so bloody quickly just so they can try and bugger up the opposition.
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Prince Buster
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 26 Apr 07 at 6:53pm |
In my opinion every protest, won or lost, is beneficial to a young
sailor. It teaches them the intricacies of the rule book and also
gives them protest room experience that could help them to win protests
in the future. In my oppie days I became known as quite a
prolific protestor and I can honestly say it has helped me a lot as a
sailor.
The point about protests not being taken too personally is very relevant though. There is so often bad feeling surrounding protests and it really shouldn't be that way. People need to accept that whether or not they were in the wrong the committee's decision is final and that due sportsmanship should be shown. |
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Calum_Reid
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 26 Apr 07 at 7:27pm |
I do a fair amount of team and match racing these days and have recently qualified as an umpire so know the rules better than most. I would however say I have known the rules better than alot of adults since I was about 11 or 12 as I found rules and rule situations more interesting than the majority of school work! Also I have alway sailed in competative fleets such as 200'2 and 400's. Now whilst I have a good grasp of the rules I have never been into a protest room as a protester or protestee. I have never hit another boat and been in the wrong and have only ever done any form of turns other than hitting a mark in team racing. Everytime I have protested someone it has been in a situation where people have known they were wrong and done there turns.
I would say that I wouldnt know much about what to do in the protest room if I hadnt sat on protest comitees and so feel that a child being protested by an adult isnt a bad thing so long as the child is taken seriously. This is in know way different to on a startline when kids are "shouted out of the way". This has happened to me and I have always been confident enough to stand up to adults and give as good as Ive got. Now maybe I benifit from having not come through the youth clases route and therefore have spent most of my life sailing against adults and so have never known any different to shouting at adults. |
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stuarthop
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 26 Apr 07 at 8:19pm |
I think this is perfectly fair, when i was 12ish (a hardcore oppy sailor) i won a protest for redress against an international juror. That was a scary protest but it was all good practise for the future
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Medway Maniac
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 26 Apr 07 at 9:31pm |
When I was 15, in my first serious race, I called for rights I didn't have (as it turned out) on some old blokes (aged about 19). They responded by yelling 'protest' at me very loudly. They didn't protest as it happened, but it sure made me go home and look up my 'Elvstrom Explains...' |
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Ian S
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 27 Apr 07 at 10:24am |
If the sport is to continue at a respectable level then we need to encourage rule observance.. part of that should be what happens when it all goes horribly wrong.. From personal experience I see lots of effort going into the sailing part but getting young sailors learning the rules is limited to windward leeward, port starboard and water at the mark. Protesting is a good way for people to learn, it doesn't need to be, and shouldn't be confrontational.. and any good club protest committee would I hope then discuss the rules with the offenders, we certainly do when it occurs. Much better to do this and learn in a friendly club environment than at a Nationals..... Lets face it, at junior football you can't get away with not knowing the offside rule and then acting upset when the ref steps in.. |
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Fraggle
Far too distracted from work Joined: 28 Feb 07 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 220 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 17 May 07 at 3:19pm |
One way that my old club used to do (still do) was that within racing the boats would be split into gold/silver/bronze for evening races and last race on a sunday. B - 1st season/new racer etc. S - season or 2 done, won the bronze fleet. G - experienced racer/won the silver fleet. You were not allowed to shout at anyone in the fleet below you (Bronze had own start but gold and silver together) so if anyone broke rules it was more like coaching with more experienced person explaining what was wrong etc rather than agressive rule shouting/protests etc. Seemed to work very well, gave new people a more relaxed environment to learn and everyone learnt the rules at all levels. |
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Splosh
Far too distracted from work Joined: 13 May 07 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 497 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 17 May 07 at 5:04pm |
Spliting it up seems a good idea. Only last week me (14yrs old in a vortex) and my bro (15yrs old in a rs600) got a well big shouting at by a man blaze !!! He threatend to crash into are boats and couldnt stop cursing! we gave in as are boats are worth alot to us and let him pass. At the end we asked what he was playing at...he apparently got his left (port!) and right (starboard!) muddled up ?!?! On a funny note, one way some sailors get passed the learners (in oppies) at alton is to shout "card board" at them; and try to sound powerfull. They apparently get out your way fairly quickly because they don't know what it means and its 'so they say' not illegal as it doesnt mean anything; and it avoids a protest . mark |
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Prince Buster
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 17 May 07 at 5:39pm |
sounds like my uncle's old trick. Yelling "Rule 53, Clearway!" at them seems to do the trick!
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