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29er, almost no need to debate it!

It's a natural progression for you from 420 to 49er! 

great value package youth boat with a good learning curve for your 420 base of skills. Simple to set up and nice to move about on (apart from your knees in a shorty in light winds- decks like gravel).

You'll get great OD racing at various levels and a decent re-sale value compared to development boats which go obsolete.

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29er but be careful to budget for new sails if needed - That puts many of the 3 - 4year old boats over the price of a brand new RS500.

Buzz does look good value  - not sure about resale though.

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29er  -  fantastic performance, opportunity to make the most of the RYA schemes, good resale value. But can be a bit tricky to sail, depends what sort of level you sail at, or want to progress to?

I sailed a Buzz during my teens and had a fantastic time. Even though upwind its far from spectacular, I haven't matched the downwind sensation in any other boat i've sailed... but then we go into the debate about absolute speed and sensation etc...
As far as resale value goes I think prices are relatively stable, and with Wet & Windy promoting the boat with new Hyde sails I think the class has the opportunity to revitalise itself.

The disadvantage is you don't get to benefit from the RYA stuff, and the fleet is smaller. But from personal experience the boat is quite easy to sail, and a lot of fun!

I guess just look what sort of objectives you hope to achieve from owning the boat , and choose the boat from there. All the boats look decent to me, bar maybe the Vago.
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Wow thats helped a lot, the 29er looks like a good choise im just not sure if me n my crew are heavy enough as i weigh 8 - 9 and he weighs about 10ish, is that heavy enough? Also what are they like in light winds as we get them quite frequently? And what sort of price is a second hand one at?

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Yeah you're heavy enough for one especially if you get a lot of the light stuff.  Second hand ones range from about 3500 to 5000.  Oh yea and they're absolute dogs in light winds.....
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Do they go in light winds? The 420 is pretty rubbish in light winds always come last in handicaps and get beaten by GPs, solos etc
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You'll be absolutely fine, weight is not going to make a great deal of difference unless racing very competitively. Besides you'll fly downwind. This is coming from someone who sailed a 600 for a couple of years at 9 1/2 stone, far from competitively but respectably I like to think!
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9 1/2 stone in a 600? oh this has made my choice for next boat so much easier.

600 732, will call it Sticks and Stones when i get round to it.
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Originally posted by sailor_420

Do they go in light winds? The 420 is pretty rubbish in light winds always come last in handicaps and get beaten by GPs, solos etc

solos beat everything in light winds even the rubbish sailors, we get revenge when the wind blows!

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Get a 29er.  Great boat.  Lots of competitive yoof to sail against.  Just don't expect to sit down ever!  and you'll need a reliable crew.

It's not as hard to sail as people sometimes make out - my main problem at 78kg (with a 40kg crew) was getting enough heeling power to keep it upright; You MUST use the kite downwind, or it just falls on top of you.  Despite the looks it's a narrow boat with relatively wide wings, whereas the RS500 and 3000 are just moderately wide boats. 

They do seem to be expensive (even 2nd hand) at the moment though.  I've seen one for 3300 but at the price it may need new sails and might have gained some weight (wooden stuff inside).

Do you have 5000 to spend?  If not, and if you don't mind being abandoned by the RYA, a good 2nd hand 3000 is under 2000.

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