Amount of discards?

   No discards would have made very little difference to the results of the Olympics
The only differences would have been  the silver and bronze in the Laser class would have been reversed and the womens Mistrals was decided on the discard.  That is without the discard they would have been on equal points.
There is a link from the Finn class web site to the results www.finnclass.org

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bigwavedave Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 04 Jun 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 944	Post Options Post Reply Quote bigwavedave Report Post Quote Reply Topic: Amount of discards? Posted: 28 Oct 04 at 8:03pm
	No discards would have made very little difference to the results of the Olympics The only differences would have been the silver and bronze in the Laser class would have been reversed and the womens Mistrals was decided on the discard. That is without the discard they would have been on equal points. There is a link from the Finn class web site to the results www.finnclass.org


Contender443 Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 01 Oct 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1211	Post Options Post Reply Quote Contender443 Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 28 Oct 04 at 10:43pm
	Looking at the results with no discards there are very few place changes over the whole fleet. So why do we have them? Even Ben's DSQ did not affect his final result - he would still have won gold. There would have been a few other medal changes - are there any other sports who run a series and then allow a discard?
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Harry44981! Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 26 Aug 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 736	Post Options Post Reply Quote Harry44981! Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 29 Oct 04 at 9:28am
	Ah but Trujillo and the Pole were both OCS, the same points as a DSQ, so in effect it didnt matter for the top 3, but if lets say Trujillo was in the top 10, not OCS with no discard regatta he would have won Gold - not Ainslie.

Contender443 Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 01 Oct 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1211	Post Options Post Reply Quote Contender443 Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 29 Oct 04 at 9:30am
	Having no discards would mean different tactics in the last race. It would mean that you would have to get the best result in every race. So no forcing someone over the line or the tactics used by Ben in the last race at Sydney. What is better?
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Phil eltringham Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 16 Mar 04 Location: England/Hitchin Online Status: Offline Posts: 1105	Post Options Post Reply Quote Phil eltringham Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 29 Oct 04 at 9:42am
	I think it simply adds a different dynamic to racing, discard or not the racing would be just as good, the emphasis would simply change
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Contender443 Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Visit Member's Homepage Really should get out more Joined: 01 Oct 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 1211	Post Options Post Reply Quote Contender443 Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 29 Oct 04 at 11:11am
	That's basically it. Do you try to win OR try to make someone else lose
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Harry44981! Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 26 Aug 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 736	Post Options Post Reply Quote Harry44981! Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 29 Oct 04 at 1:31pm
	Not tooo good with no discards if your always BFD, saying that for no perticular reason

bigwavedave Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 04 Jun 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 944	Post Options Post Reply Quote bigwavedave Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 29 Oct 04 at 5:18pm
	If you dig deep into the ISAF website you may be able to find the arguements for and against discards. One of the reasons suggested for not having discards at the Olympics was to make the racing easier to understand for those not familiar with the sport. Also as mentioned above it would mean that everybody had to race in the last race of the regatta and try to win. If you keep getting black flagged or called OCS you really need to work on your starts, not hope for more discards.


Harry44981! Send Private Message Find Member's Posts Really should get out more Joined: 26 Aug 04 Online Status: Offline Posts: 736	Post Options Post Reply Quote Harry44981! Report Post Quote Reply Posted: 29 Oct 04 at 6:21pm
	OCS no prob, you can go back BFD- annoying and with a 260 boat fleet Topper RO's like using it . If you're buried in the 2nd 3rd or 4th row, or even a bad place in the 1st row you've got a mountain to climb.