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    Posted: 07 Jan 05 at 6:39pm
I'm not a coach - only an instructor although I have been doing it for a long time both Full time and, for the last 20 years part time(maybe SI this year).

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I reckon in the really light stuff its best to rake it back a bit.  Only in light to medium strength should you use the most upright setting and even then I'd expect there to be about 20 inches of rake between the masthead and the gooseneck.  And let's face it you shouldn't worry about it being too raked for off-wind work since most of your drive will be coming from the kite.  If I was sailing a National 12 I'd be more fussy.  I'd be inclined to have a means of loosening the leeward shroud though so that the boom can go out further.

I must point out that I'm not a Wayfarer sailor though but I'm a firm believer in doing what the good guys do until you can do it better. Or to put it another way (and I've seen plenty try this) a poor sailor is not suddenly going to beat the top guys by doing something different.

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I agree that raking the rig does most of the right things in a breeze. The difficulty I have is to find the optimum upright position for light breezes. I find that the recommended upright position for my class (Wayfarer) tends to cause the slot to be too closed and easing the jib and main causes lack of pointing ability.

Therefore I usually sail with the rig raked all the time. Any ideas?

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Jon Emmett is one

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Garry and Jon Emmett- i hope they don't mind me saying.



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Make that at least 3 !
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Harry44981! Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Jan 05 at 4:39pm
well there is at least 2 coaches i that are on the forum, and lots of other good sailors.
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Did anyone else notice that this thread is mentioned in 'Roll Tacks' this week as a cheap alternative to paying for an RYA coach ?
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The whole point of changing mast rake is that it affects many different aspects of the rig - nearly all of them in exactly the way we are looking for in a breeze. The obvious one is the slot becoming more open, but the change in spreader/shroud geometry allows the mast to bend more, flattening the main and opening the leech, which also moves the centre of effort of the main forward somewhat, helping with balance. I could go on and on, but the fact is it works. I've sailed a Flying Dutchman for some ten years now, and raking the mast in a breeze is the only way to sail it. Fully powered-up in 10 knots, and as the breeze builds we rake the mast, pull the board back in it's slot and just go faster and faster!!

If you are not convinced about rake being fast, I would strongly suggest you go for a blast in a boat that you can adjust on the water with string. If anyone wants a go, I can convince you in 30 seconds.

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