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However the topic is "what sports boat" and the J24, whatever its virtues, is not a sports boat. The Australians claim to have invented the word (and probably did). There, it is roughly equivalent to "fast trailerable boat". The J24 isn't "trailerable" in their terminology because you need a crane for the keel-stepped mast. They would probably argue that "fast" does not apply either. If you would like a more robust version of this argument, try posting about J24s on http://www.sailinganarchy.com/forums/index.php?showforum=14
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Mainly small fleet handicap racing and mainly a crew of 4 was the summary  specification in the first message of this thread. For this reason and other good reasons, the J/24 was mentioned. It is trailed to events. It does NOT need a crane for the keel stepped mast. The mast is simpler, safer and stronger being keel stepped. Travelling  J/24s worldwide have a gin pole, with which the mast is much easier and safer to raise than are comparable deck stepped masts. I have raised a J/24 mast by gin pole, often single handed, a dozen times a year for many season's past going round the Irish J/24 racing circuit. As a club crane operator I have been involved with deck stepped masts. They are much less safe and strong

 

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I sailed a J24 for a season, including trailering to events, and we craned the mast in. As far as I remember (and it was a few years ago), so did everyone else. Whether keel- or deck-stepped is more robust is not the subject of debate. J24 is a good choice if you have local class racing but the title of the thread is "which sports boat" and it is not a sports boat. Not really ideal for an average-sized crew of 4 either, come to that.
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Thanks for all the replies.

I am still looking (prefer to sell Micro 18 first). I like the look of the projection and Sonar but would like to know how they do racing on PY handicap as it is mainly handicap racing I will be doing.

 I have been put off the 707 slightly as it mabye stuggles slightly in light airs, which we tend to get a lot of for our racing.

Following Erne Sailors post above I think it was probably Soling that you saw in Fort William as they have a fleet there.

I am still grateful for info or suggestions.

 

 

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Mark Jardine Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Nov 06 at 8:36am

If you're looking for second hand J/24s take a look on the UK J/24 class website. A good range available in the UK from between £3250 and £15000. Running costs are extremely low for a 24' yacht. Competitive livespan for a good boat (such as a Rogers) is very long.

You need to crane the boat into the water (most have a single-point lifting strop) but most masts are raised with a gin pole (can't remember when we last did this with a crane).

Performance is very good in the light winds. Not as fast as a modern sports boat in the strong winds but still great fun.



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Originally posted by Corms

Thanks for all the replies.

I am still looking (prefer to sell Micro 18 first). I like the look of the projection and Sonar but would like to know how they do racing on PY handicap as it is mainly handicap racing I will be doing.

 I have been put off the 707 slightly as it mabye stuggles slightly in light airs, which we tend to get a lot of for our racing.

Following Erne Sailors post above I think it was probably Soling that you saw in Fort William as they have a fleet there.

I am still grateful for info or suggestions.

 

 

 

Sonars plane at least and get an SBR / OD for Tarbert as well. Probably not much in it for upwind on a 707 but the hunter will go well in light airs ..let the cat out the bag from a handful of light winds and heavy- sail them four up not five or even go with three in the light.

 

J24- isn't that a non planing yankie quarter ton copy with the keel in the wrong place and some Irish ones which were two feet longer on the water line than they should have been?  Oh I hear it, yes, everything will surf given enough blow...even smegma 33's

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If you want to see J/24s in action

NATIONS CUP J/24s ON TV

Sky Sports 2 lists ‘Yachting: The Nations Cup grand final’ for 09.30 on Thursday 7 December and again at 10.00 on Sunday morning

Watch a half hour of superb match racing on Cork Harbour at the ISAF Nations Cup world final, hosted by Royal Cork YC and sailed in International J/24 keelboats loaned via ISA to RCYC by Irish owners from eight other clubs in Ireland.

This ISAF Grade One event was the most important international sailing event in Ireland’s 2006 season. A major Irish contribution to international sailing, it won great praise at November’s annual conference of the International Sailing Federation.

More at

www.royalcork.com

www.matchrace.ie

www.j24ireland.com

 

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Corms Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Dec 06 at 10:25am

I think it is now down to a Sonar or a Platu 25.

I have never sailed on a Sonar or Platu 25, can anyone give me good points and bad points for both of them.

It is mixed handicapp racing using PY handicapps on the sea most of the time..

 

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Post Options Post Options   Quote damp_freddie Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Dec 06 at 9:00pm

Haven't sailed a sonar, but-

 

the platou is a cool bit of kit, not as fast as a melges but planes at about 8- 9 knts boat speed and surfs very readily.

 

very nice in light airs, but in f5 you will need a good main trimmer and foredack/kite trimmer on the down hill leg.

 

It also sleeps two, could be converted to sleep 3 or 4, and has a nice outboard well and locker easier to use than the 707s.

 

The sails are strict OD and quite reasonable for Norths. Very nice shape L1, H1s, plus you get a jib cunningham which works great. In fact everything is geared nearly perfecfly and it has a big, fast boat feel for a well ballasted SB.

There are two sail on the clyde regularily now and maybe three or four going to scottish series if you were prepared to trail and be no.4!  The guys with ELF on the clyde are worth talking to.

 

Despite being a huge fann of the wee farr, I'd still say look at a 707- they lack the finesse and feel but you could get easier OD racing. A more stable planing platform as well!

 

But if you are a former quarter ton owner (?) then go for the platou for really enjoying your sailing



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Post Options Post Options   Quote Corms Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Jan 07 at 11:21am

Hi

In the end we have purchased a Sonar, picking it up in the near future.

Thanks for all the advice given in this forum.

Cheers

Corms

 

 

 

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