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Andrewst
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Topic: Picture of the V3000 at Carsington SC Posted: 17 May 06 at 6:42pm |
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I assume you mean one of these! |
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Strawberry
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 17 May 06 at 6:50pm | |
I dooubt it because when you move fore and aft you could not use the cleat. And of course the fact that is Holt not Harken. Maybe something more like this:
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Cherub 2649 "Dangerous Strawberry
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I luv Wight
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 17 May 06 at 10:59pm | |
57kg all up without lead in old config, 67kg inc the 10 kg lead. It went much faster without trying without the weights in! latest O5 rules configuration with alloy kick bars etc added some kg to the base weight, so there are less correctors now, but it's still only 68 kg allup. |
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Chris 249
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 18 May 06 at 12:37am | |
Who me? Ahhhh, I was just thinking about all the fun we could have using the V3000 (and some other classes, probably) as a precedent for modifying a boat without changing the handicap. Like, if the Laser 3000 could become the V3000, lose 30% of its weight, increase stiffness, add new sails and keep the same handicap, what could (say) the Laser Radial do to update? What about if we left the hull alone? A bit of Marchaj reading and back-of-the-envelope calculation indicates that you could get the same sort of speed increase as a 30% weight reduction, by increasing the rig from 5.7 to 6.5m. Add a bit more sail to allow for the fact that the V3000 is stiffer and has new sails, and we're getting towards 7m. So I reckon we could make a case for the new "Vaser Vadial" to set the full-size Laser sail but sail off the Radial handicap! . And why not, the Laser's got a reputation for having a tough handicap anyway. Now the one that would have me worried is the Vantom.....taking 30kg out of the Phantom and keeping the same PY would make it a real handicap bandit! But of course those who sail lightweight boats from classes the Cherub, 14, MR, N12, Tasar can try to keep up by just throwing out all their correctors for PY racing, can't they. After all, if you can take 30kg out of the hull and not have a handicap change, you can hardly complain when others take 6-20kg out of their hulls can you? Now, all this is just stuff that I was thinking......I decided I shouldn't have posted it so I edited that post out. Just as well too, I may have copped some flack if I'd put it on the forum. |
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tack'ho
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 18 May 06 at 8:08am | |
No flack from here..... Edited by tack'ho |
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I might be sailing it, but it's still sh**e!
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yellowhammer
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 18 May 06 at 10:18am | |
nor from me as it happens like i said, clubs can correct it in the meantime, if they need to, by treating it as any other one-off design and giving it a TN (trial number) the TN is then corrected progressively over a number of weeks, then a CN (club number) is assigned when it's been rated across a range of conditons (not sure how crew skill is factored out, but there are formula on the RYA website) this would then feed into club PY returns, and when the RYA/class has some data to work with we can recommend an RN (recommended number) as the Laser 3000 isn't an international or even a national class, we don't have a primary or secondary yardstick (PY or SY) at least, i think that's how the system's supposed to work (if clubs operated the PY returns system properly ... as if they didn't have enough to do) what i'm saying is you can't blame the class ... all V3000s are a quite strict one design in their own right, and we're more than happy to exploit any loopholes in the law in the meantime!!! (edited as an afterthought to say nice to see you've come out of your shell chris!) Edited by yellowhammer |
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Bruce Starbuck
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 18 May 06 at 10:24am | |
Excellent idea! I'm off to start building my new Verlin Vocket. It's really going to kick arse because it will have a carbon rig, laminate sails and a bigger spinnaker but will be sailed off the same handicap as those old wooden Merlin Rocket thingies. Oh hang on...
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Guest
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 18 May 06 at 10:32am | |
Lets not start the PY bandit discussion ... As Jim has pointed out previously in a championship fleet the PY spread is about 200; sounds believeable to me but Jim - how did you work this out? Anyway - PY racing is not to be taken too seriously; it's a bit of fun; yes some boats have an advantagein certain conditions and some boat developments may give a temporary advantage but the system should catch up if returns are done and of course the system allows for subjective changes of PY by the race management anyway. If you really want to win a handicap race I think you are missing the point ... oh, and if you look at the results of the big handicap events it's often very good sailors who win ... Rick |
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yellowhammer
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 18 May 06 at 10:33am | |
... exactly, but maybe development in one design classes would stagnate without the loopholes? after all, IF YOU CAN'T BEAT THEM ... JOIN THEM! (now i'm showing my age) (edited because that was a follow-on from Bruce, but Rick got in there first) Edited by yellowhammer |
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Bruce Starbuck
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 18 May 06 at 10:37am | |
There's the flack! Heh!
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