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I had a quick look at Dittisham sc fb page . Couldn’t find any pics of D-zeros with ‘ Wallybags . There were plenty of Solos with them though. 
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If you couldn't find them it's probably because they were upside down and not visible.
I have not seen a D Zero capsize and have no knowledge of any tendancy to invert, but D Zeros there were and they all sported wallybags.
I believe the "wally" is as much to do with the similarity to the fish and chip wally as the presumed competence of the sailor
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I understand the term ‘ wallybag’ ( even though it can be thought a touch offensive to beginners to our sport ) , that’s why I was surprised so many Solos had them at the Dittisham regatta . As normally solo sailors are generally among the most experienced amongst us. 
Looks a lovely place to sail  Smile


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It would be a big plus not to need the masthead floats nobody likes them and they need buying and maintaining.
However the Dart mud is sticky and we've had to go out and unstick boats before.
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Apologies for hijacking the Neo thread
I am not a member of Dittisham but they seem to be really thriving and growing their numbers. The Solo fleet is strong and very diverse in its skill levels with a lot of "Dittisham Belles"and ex Salcombe"ladies that launch" also a number of ex Salcombe Solos looking for something less intense. So, plenty of potential capsizes who don't want to bend their masts.
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I've sailed and owned both and never seen any d-zero with a masthead float. The Aero is more on its toes so great fun but needs agility and the D-zero more stable so doesn't capsize so regularly. Both great boats.
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Originally posted by Riv

It would be a big plus not to need the masthead floats nobody likes them and they need buying and maintaining.
However the Dart mud is sticky and we've had to go out and unstick boats before.


People who've sailed in shallow water with current will understand why masthead floats might be desirable. More so where there are lots of yacht moorings for your rig to tangle with underwater.
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I know of one club that made mast head floats compulsory during covid and have continued with this rule.
It wouldn’t do for me, but their members seem happy with it 
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It really should be uppermost in a dinghy designers mind that their boats resist the tendency for inversion. 
It is a considerable safety factor and also means the boat can be up and racing again.
Sealed carbon masts help a lot and rather than ungainly mast head floats I am surprised that more hasn't been made of thin (say 20 - 30mm) flexible foam in the top half metre of sails.
The Hadron goes a long way towards this and it is hardly rocket science to work out, pretty much O level physics.
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I expect that we will fit some sort of mast head flotation, all the other Dinghies we have use it.(with the exception of the yawl and lugger).
As these will be new boats I'll get our village sailmaker to put on sewn flotation to the top of the sails.
The Wanderer class had a meet at our club last weekend and several had them
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