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Brass
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Topic: Rocking & Rolling Posted: 14 Aug 22 at 1:13am |
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Well, isn't doing exactly what the rules allow and no more the fundamental of any competition? I don't love rule 42. It bothers me that:
But rule 42 is what we've got, and until some engineering genius comes up with a better rule, we're stuck with it. Edited by Brass - 16 Aug 22 at 8:37am |
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 14 Aug 22 at 12:29pm | |
Brass, how is planing interpreted by judges? Noting we are allowed to pump promote planing, but a. there doesn’t seem to be agreement among scientists about what it is and b. the definitions that do exist would require scientific experiments to demonstrate.
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Brass
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 14 Aug 22 at 2:16pm | |
Judges on the water won't be able to apply those highly technical definitions. They have to rely on some, perhaps old fashioned indicators. Most simply, does a boat accelerate and maintain speed faster than those around it? Does a boat change fore and aft attitude or trim, consistent with 'climbing over its bow wave?
Maybe it's like pornography: we can't define it, but we know it when we see it. Note, judges don't really have to decide whether a boat is planing or not, just whether planing conditions exist, which, admittedly, will in most cases be indicated by boats planing. |
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moomin
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 16 Aug 22 at 6:50am | |
I think you should consider the difference between champs with on water judging and anywhere else without. Most sailing we do is self policed, there's no umpire or ref and it's up to us to sail within the rules. If there's a judge on the water I'm more likely to push the amount of kinetics I do, partly as a learning process, it's not often you get the opportunity to test what's legal or not. Without a judge on the water I keep it still, I don't want to be that person who everyone complains about at the bar after sailing but it's just not worth the hassle of protesting. As someone upthread has said, rule 42 is a difficult one to define so keep it simple and friendly when sailing against the folk you have to see every weekend!
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Brass
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 16 Aug 22 at 7:51am | |
I don't agree that racers should be pre-emptively bowing down to the court of ill informed public opinion.
There's no reason for anyone to refrain from doing something they know is within the rules just because there's no judge there to not penalise them. In Sam's OP, he asked about a perfectly legal combination of moves, which if well executed could get him a surf worth two or three boatlengths. That shouldn't be open to the complaint that 'he sailed much faster than me therefore he must be cheating'. Edited by Brass - 16 Aug 22 at 7:51am |
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Dakota
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 16 Aug 22 at 8:29am | |
Totally agree with this point .
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moomin
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 16 Aug 22 at 8:52am | |
I've failed to explain myself, I'll try again! If you are certain you are within the rules and can explain, coach and encourage others to improve their technique, absolutely go for it. But this is different to pushing the envelope into the grey area, I'm just advocating for staying a little clearer of the grey area when there's no one there to tell you you've gone too far, especially if you're at the front of the club fleet. All everyone else sees is a boat doing a horizon job every weekend with a load of iffy kinetics! Doing that isn't improving your sailing or helping anyone else.
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