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    Posted: 06 Jul 22 at 9:42am
Rule 20, if it applies, is over and done with when the hailed boat either tacks, or having responded 'You tack', has given the hailing boat room to tack and avoid her.

You say neither boat allege that the other broke rule 20. Ok.

B, right of way on stbd tack needs to avoid A on port tack, and does so. A does not keep clear of B. A breaks rule 10.

Yes its just a straight up rule 10.

Is B saying that, somehow or other:
* she was not required to keep clear of A, OR
* she was entitled to be exonerated under rule 43 for failing to keep clear of A, OR
* A was obliged to do something to help B comply with the rules.

What is B saying and what rule does B think applies to support her?

And, BTW, in P/S cross, a boat is almost never 'forced' to tack to keep clear: it is almost always possible for her to duck, or start sheets, luff and slow, or stop.

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hahah thinking cap is on, i keep doing 720 in my head! its all got a bit blurred.


No rule break about rule 20.    but where rules 20 comes into it.. is boat a is sailing and tacks out of the way of an obstuction. no one needs to give him room.. he sales for a bit... boat be comes across hails startboard... Boat A slows then thinks hang on i can make it. sheets on. but does not make it.. B avoids..

. A then says i could could not tack as i had already tack for an obsuction... but he had already tacked to clear the obstuction...

what i wanted to ask in orgunally is one you tack for an obstuction when does that claim dissapear..

in my head this is just a standard rule 10


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Hi Duncan,

I think it's time for you to put your thinking cap on.

Does A say B broke rule 20, or any other rule? If so which subparagraph, and why?

Does B say A broke rule 20, or any other rule? If so which subparagraph, and why?
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Morning! Tongue

Had a little chat last night about all the infomation. and a few point got rasied which id like to add in the mix.

While boat A shouted tacking for x, he then sailed a on the new port take a good length of time/boat before the startboard shout was made. I would say that they where not adjacent. does that have any affect on rule 20?


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Nacnud_smada Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Jul 22 at 1:36pm
hahah, sorry trying todo to manythings.

Understood. will read on...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Brass Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Jul 22 at 1:31pm
Originally posted by Nacnud_smada

if so am i right in thinking there has to be an overlocker for all of this to kick in?


How did sailmakers get into this?

But seriously, no, read all of the text I posted. It's about when boats are not adjacent.
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Haha,
Yes that what triggered it. i think that mean yes and overlap is needed?

if so am i right in thinking there has to be an overlocker for all of this to kick in?
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Originally posted by Nacnud_smada


Is the overlap important? eg does the boat need an overlap to call an obstuction
i dont think so...


He he,

Look at the answer from Case 113 I posted above.

What do you think 'adjacent' means?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Nacnud_smada Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Jul 22 at 12:41pm
Thank you ill look at them

I find it all rather fascinating.

So a hail for room. covers anyone within ear shot?

Sorry just looked, is the overlap important? eg does the boat need an overlap to call an obstuction

i dont think so...


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If you have time its always good to review the various case books, which are basically worked examples, usually based on real protests.

For most of us they are too much to absorb at a sitting, but try looking up cases relevant to your problem.

https://assets.rya.org.uk/assetbank-rya-assets/action/directLinkImage?assetId=47809

https://www.sailing.org/tools/documents/CaseBookfor20212024withVersion2chgcorctnsand2022Supplement-[27838].pdf
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