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Would have been interesting if there had been a collision with, let's say six, which would have been the one most likely to be outside the zone. What rules would have been called?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sam.Spoons Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Jun 22 at 10:43pm
Well, 7 was actually clear ahead of 6 at the point when 6 first entered the zone, not sure if 7 was in the zone before 6 or just after but either way I think 18.2 b covers it.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote ClubRacer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Jun 22 at 11:01pm
Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

Well, 7 was actually clear ahead of 6 at the point when 6 first entered the zone, not sure if 7 was in the zone before 6 or just after but either way I think 18.2 b covers it.

7 was clear ahead of 6?

Please could you drawer a diagram as I can't vision it.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sam.Spoons Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Jun 22 at 9:27am
At P1 1 - 6 were clear ahead of 7 & 8 after they had gybed 7 & 8 were clear ahead (by the definition of 'clear ahead') of 6 and probably 5. There diagram iOS not accurately to scale but the relative positions of the three relevant boats are substantially correct. The skipper of 6 would probably see things differently but I can't see how he could argue that he had entered the zone before gybing.

 


6 is red, 7 is green and 8 is blue


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Post Options Post Options   Quote ClubRacer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Jun 22 at 12:02pm
I wouldn't agree they were clear ahead in p2, the second they gybed they were overlapped

Clear Astern and Clear Ahead; Overlap 
One boat is clear astern of another when her hull and equipment in normal position are behind a line abeam from the aftermost point of the other boat’s hull and equipment in normal position. The other boat is clear ahead. They overlap when neither is clear astern. However, they also overlap when a boat between them overlaps both. These terms always apply to boats on the same tack. They apply to boats on opposite tacks only when rule 18 applies between them or when both boats are sailing more than ninety degrees from the true wind.

I would say neither are clear astern of each other and therefore are overlapped and they meet the criteria of rule 18 and sailing more than ninety degrees from the true wind

The result is the same though, 7+ 8 are overlapped inside of 4, 5 + 6


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sam.Spoons Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 Jun 22 at 1:40pm
Yes, you're right of course. As you say neither is clear astern of the other.  Thumbs Up
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Post Options Post Options   Quote 423zero Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Jun 22 at 5:17pm
Would make a interesting race to set a course like 'the magic roundabout', Swindon if you have never heard of it, brilliant in the rush hour
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Rupert Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Jun 22 at 2:41pm
Originally posted by 423zero

Would make a interesting race to set a course like 'the magic roundabout', Swindon if you have never heard of it, brilliant in the rush hour


Set it in training a while ago. You had a central mark with a ring if buoys outside of it, maybe 5. You sail round an outer buoy, round the middle one to the next outer, and so on. With several boats, it becomes a lot of fun. Best done in plastic boats.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote The Q Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Jun 22 at 2:59pm
I set a square course once,  in normal club racing..
Sail round the square,
Then from number 1 pin sail to number 2 and back,
Then from Number 1 to sail to number 3 and back,
Then from Number 1 to sail to number 4 and back
The sail the square again..

I didn't ring the finishing bell for the commodore who sailed the wrong course...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote patj Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Jun 22 at 5:15pm
Originally posted by Rupert

Originally posted by 423zero

Would make a interesting race to set a course like 'the magic roundabout', Swindon if you have never heard of it, brilliant in the rush hour


Set it in training a while ago. You had a central mark with a ring if buoys outside of it, maybe 5. You sail round an outer buoy, round the middle one to the next outer, and so on. With several boats, it becomes a lot of fun. Best done in plastic boats.

Yes the "flower" course - round the edge of each petal in turn coming back to the centre each time.

As for the "magic roundabout" isn't that going in any direction you wish as long as you take the marks to starboard (UK driving) ??
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