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I think the 200 has been around long enough to say it has an enduring popularity. The obvious conclusion is that it fills enough of enough people's criteria.
The Tasar has always seemed to have an enthusiastic fan club, but not many UK sailors. Presumably it does not fill enough of enough people's criteria.
My guess is that it is too sticky and underpowered for ponds and if you have a bit space the why not have a spinnaker and trapeze
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Post Options Post Options   Quote sargesail Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Oct 21 at 4:37pm
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Originally posted by Mozzy

... the winners were high 140s.  

Dunno where you got that data from; looked like a average guy and his young daughter ...
The 3rd was RS200 champion James Peters so I'd guess they are similar weight carriers.
Either way they are only say 5% different which is close enough for most club sailors.
Anyway for most I'd say similar. Plus the Tasar has the benefit that an average couple can actually pull it up the beach without too much


Well I can vouch for it having been there when they weighed in….without being unchivalrous Nik Douglas (and her Dad) are older than you think. Also worth noting that James did not have the same pace when the breeze blew.

Finally to suggest a 200 is a difficult pull up the beach….did the one you tried have square wheels?
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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

  If it was more acceptable to sail without the kite and request a suitably amended PN that would solve the problem to a great extent.

Yeah, but that just highlights a lack of skill that some would find embarrassing ... affordable, easy to use and lightweight equipment is what we need for making the sport more accessible.
I look at the Tasar as a modern Enterprise ... which was highly popular once upon a time ...
The way the manufactures have developed the boats is a bit of an own goal IMHO. 


You might look at the Tasar as a modem Enterprise….but it has been around for 46 of the Enterprise’s 75 years.

I’d also respectfully suggest that the rotating mast and sliding shrouds which are key to the Tasar’s performance are a whole lot more complex and difficult for the crew than the 200’s spinnaker. Crewing the Tasar is a never ending jobs list. It’s one of the reasons I liked it.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote 2547 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Oct 21 at 5:46pm
Originally posted by Old bloke


The Tasar has always seemed to have an enthusiastic fan club, but not many UK sailors. Presumably it does not fill enough of enough people's criteria.

I think its more a factor that the RS marketing machine and their excellent events schedule and parties in the 90s and 00s was second to none  ... that was a bigger factor in the popularity than the equipment.
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I think Nic said somewhere that they were 147. I know my parents in law are over 150 because they discussed getting a 200 and it was the low weight that was an issue (plus they love the tasar anyway). 

There is a decent fleet of tasar and 200s at HISC, but not much crossover, whereas quite a few of the tasar sailor are or were recently in merlins. So the weight difference between the two is significant enough for the average sailor at club level and enough difference for the two to cohabit the same club happily. 

Generally my point is, if you're 115-135 kilo, then a 200 is probably as fast as you will go whilst staying competitive) without sticking a trapeze on. 

I do sympathize with the evaluation of the 200 not really hitting it's PY inland, and it's actually still quite difficult in most places unless you have broad reaches. The spinnaker makes for interesting racing, but if you judge it by laps times only then it's a very questionable addition. At the endeavour Stu Bithell did away with it and straight lined the shore doing quite nicely, the laser boys gained a few boat doing the same. 

However, I am not sure the tasar is an obvious solution to the 200s deficiencies. It really sticks below 7 knots and a 200 will beat it on most points of sail except dead downwind. The 200 kite can be frustrating in fluky light conditions and constricted waters, the the Tasars tacking mast and sliding shrouds, plus the mainsheet / traveller set up can make the repetitive tacks and gybes quite the task. 

The Ent really is a great boat in that regard, simple and effective. However, the class really seems to have dropped away (except in looe!). The 12 is also great, but has an ideal weight below that of the 200. 

All in all the 200 is fairly quick, certainly in terms of average speed if not time around a course! It's quite robust and not as heavy as similar more 'training' orientated configurations. There are a few niggles to watch out for which I went through in my first reply. 
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The main reason to buy a 200 is the class racing.

My advice to the OP would be to read everyone's opinions back though the thread - albeit in my view excessively negative - and decide if the areas highlighted as poor will be a problem. 

Depending on the price it may well be worth a punt regardless as i've never known anyone struggle to sell a decent 200. If this one has hung around there might be a reason.

There is no perfect classs!


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Originally posted by Paramedic

The main reason to buy a 200 is the class racing.

My advice to the OP would be to read everyone's opinions back though the thread - albeit in my view excessively negative - and decide if the areas highlighted as poor will be a problem. 

Depending on the price it may well be worth a punt regardless as i've never known anyone struggle to sell a decent 200. If this one has hung around there might be a reason.

There is no perfect classs!


I reckon.

and it's a SMOD innit.

Well as close to a SMOD as makes no difference

Very appealing and does make life easier if all you want to do is sail or race a sailing dinghy.
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As the OP what I am learning from this is:
1) Crew weight ideally around 130kg. That is a good fit for me and MrsMA42, or my son, (MA17??) and crew
2) RS200 may not be competitve on PY. Not an issue, its more for fun racing. I'm not competitive in the Radial either!
3) The hull is sturdy and will give long service
4) We are on the Thames Estuary (Leigh-on-Sea), so the course shapes can vary dramatically week by week depending on wind direction. So some weeks the RS200 will shine, and other it wont. I don't really care, its about fun racing.
Thanks all for your contributions, keep them coming

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Do Different Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Oct 21 at 2:27pm
Nice one Mark. Have fun.  Thumbs Up
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Hi Mark
Have a great time, and keep out the Mud. 200 should fine to pull up the slips onto the racks.
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