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    Posted: 16 Jan 06 at 9:55pm
When will someone build a 12 foot skiff in this country!!!!!!
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if u want to give me the cash i will build one....
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If i had the money
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Weve had this before...

UK cherubs measure as 12s and can race with them anytime you fancy shipping one to the southern hemisphere. Our new rigs are the equivelant of their no3 rigs with slightly smaller kites and at least one, and I think possibly 2 cherubs have 12 footer no2 rigs they play with every now and again.

So to answer your question your gonna have to specify you you define '12 foot skiff' If it has to have a badge on which states it, wait a few years untill we get some imported. Otherwise open your eyes and look closer
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The only difference now between UK Cherubs and 12 ft skiffs is that 12
footers have multiple unlimited rigs and there min weight is 40kg instead
of 50kg, UK Cherubs have a rig which is close to what a 12 footer uses
when the breeze is fresh.

We have limited sail area and limited the mast height to keep the boats
within a reasonable cost. We also don't have fixed bow sprits for practical
reasons.

I've said this before but most UK Clubs not having a skiff tradition can get
a bit narked with all us Cherub boys rolling over our boats to rig, if you
then combine that with another 20 ft of pole out the front space and
understanding is likely to become a big issue.

So for now anyone wanting to see what a 12 footer is like should get
onboard a 2005 rules UK Cherub. It's the closest thing you are going to
get this side of a 600 pound air fair or about 18,000 if you want to
build one.

Oh plus.... if you start off in a 2005 UK Cherub you might have a cat in
hells chance of being able to sail one!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Isis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Jan 06 at 10:45pm
Originally posted by Jack Sparrow

there min weight is 40kg instead
of 50kg,

12s actualy have a 45kg minimum weight which doesnt include that hefty bowsprit
Cherubs are 50kg but DO include the bowsprit and thier rigs weigh a lot less so theres not much difference at all

Originally posted by Jack Sparrow

I've said this before but most UK Clubs not having a skiff tradition can get
a bit narked with all us Cherub boys rolling over our boats to rig, if you
then combine that with another 20 ft of pole out the front space and
understanding is likely to become a big issue.

Id definantly agree there, I have enough trouble finding space to roll the moth over some days: doing the same with the cherub is not something im really looking foreward too and thats without that huge fixed pole, and without swapping the entire rig everytime you got sailing to match the wind conditions.


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Originally posted by Jack Sparrow

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I'll second that

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12s actualy have a 45kg minimum weight which doesnt include that hefty bowsprit
Cherubs are 50kg but DO include the bowsprit and thier rigs weigh a lot less so theres not much difference at all

Bowsprits weigh about 1.5- 2kgs,  masts weigh about 8-10 kgs so still about 3-4 kgs lighter, but that deosn't seem to make a huge difference, Riggin rolling over takes no more than 15 minutes on your side

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There is one effective 12 in the UK, a converted Cherub with a No2 12 rig from Fyfe in NZ. Nothing with a full size rig though. Its a gloriously fun boat to sail although not my personal taste for every week.

Go to fotoboat, look up[ the Cherub class page, go to the 2004 Nationals/Moth Eurpeans page and its the second from the left on the top row of the first page

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Post Options Post Options   Quote 5420 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Jan 06 at 12:33pm

we should see if we can get a fleet of them and go and se if we can get a team to go and win the worlds

it would only proby take us 5 years to cach up with the AUS and then NZ

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