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How come you weren't there, Tom?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote JimC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Aug 21 at 9:59am
Originally posted by Mozzy

...all agreed a random club to put down. Who knows, they could actually be members too.

I trust they are all members.
Because if a bunch of people put down a club name they were not members of, with a view to competing for a prize that they would otherwise not be able to compete for, then there's an unpleasant word for that.



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Originally posted by jaydub

How come you weren't there, Tom?
We get really good competition at the club so I just don't get the itch to travel. We're a bit spoilt really so haven't done any open sailing since about 2014 (except opens at HISC). 

Also, the 200 is something me and the wife have as a shared interest. We've been lucky enough to be decent and get some good results and it's always tempting to enter a nationals and really push that extra bit... which then sucks the fun out of it. 

I do get a bit of fomo as the event happens each year and seriously considered it this time... but then I changed jobs and no longer had the leave.

I think the nationals are at Hayling next year, so I'll certainly support that.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote By The Lee Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Aug 21 at 4:57pm
They definitely are not members. Bit of harmless banter
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Hardly harmless banter if they have filled in official documents.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Andymac Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Aug 21 at 6:02am
If not members, then I guess the best people to judge if harmless banter or not are the genuine members of the club. A complaint from them to the RYA could lead to a rule 2 hearing.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote eric_c Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Aug 21 at 9:04am
Originally posted by Andymac

If not members, then I guess the best people to judge if harmless banter or not are the genuine members of the club. A complaint from them to the RYA could lead to a rule 2 hearing.


Plenty of keyboard sailors on here who can be offended on their behalf it seems!


was the Royal DNBYC ever a properly affiliated club?
Thread drift, but maybe these days more people will want clubs without the clubhouse full of ex-sailors sharing their germs?
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The majority of clubs would not survive if they did not have membership receipts and just had the fees from events or training.

At least if sailors enter as " rya" others are aware that they are not supporting a club and are purely " circuit" sailors

I don't think that entering from a club that doesn't sail dinghies or even doesn't exist is acceptable
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Post Options Post Options   Quote JimC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Aug 21 at 10:13am
Originally posted by ian.r.mcdonald

I don't think that entering from a club that doesn't sail dinghies or even doesn't exist is acceptable

Perhaps a bit strong. There are two threads to this.

The first is that in RRS the entry is required to be from a member of an affiliated club or National Authority. That is not up for dispute and there are very sound reasons for the rule. I'm not sure the club in question actually must be mentioned on the entry form, but its probably good manners to do so. There's certainly no requirement that the club should sail dinghies in the RRS. If a member of the Royal Yacht Squadron wants to race in a Laser Open meeting at my club they'd be very welcome.

The second is putting down a club name for a team prize. If the club is a real club, and the people putting down the name are not members then firstly its traditionally been considered a serious breach of good manners to claim membership of a club when you are not a member, and secondly its a false statement on an official form. That must be misconduct territory.
However if a bunch of sailors decide they are going to form "Junction 9 on the M25 Sailing Club" with membership restricted to themselves and no membership fees, then why not? They need to be members of affiliated clubs as well in order to enter, but I see nothing in the RRS about how long a club is supposed to have been in existence, or that it should have bricks and mortar. Mercury Bay Boating Club famously didn't have any premises when they challenged for the America's Cup! It might be that a Notice of Race or SIs puts limits on this but I glanced at an old RS200 Champs SIs and saw nothing like that.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote By The Lee Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Aug 21 at 10:18am
Oh common this is getting ridiculous. Doesn't affect the results, most are probably members of a real club, who cares!
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