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    Posted: 19 Aug 21 at 10:46am
I canít help noticing the number of top entrants representing Clapham Model YC. Is this a private joke or a means of getting round the need to be a member of a club?

Maybe Iíve lost my sense of humour in my old age, but either way it seems a bit disrespectful to the other competitors, the RYA and their actual home clubs (if they have one).
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Clapham Model YC is affiliated to the Model Yacht Association, which is recognised by the RYA, so I believe it would be legitimate for members of that club to enter events. As long as the boats are entered by someone who's a member of an affiliated club then the RYA have jurisdiction and the rules are satisfied.
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Model yachting very popular, ten years ago didn't know anyone who did it, I know half a dozen now.
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Bit disrespectful to the model boat club if they are not members?
Or maybe it's just a bit of fun and publicity for the model boat club.
One more wetsuit retailer not having my size and I'm going to seriously look into model boats!

There is no need to be a member of a club if you are an RYA member, or a member of a class association affiliated to the RYA or WS. I would assume the RS owners association is affiliated to the RYA?

In any case competitors are likely to have the status of temporary members of the organising club?

Some people have complex loyalties to more than one club and don't want to name one club.
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Model boat clubs are very cheap compared to a traditional sailing club

So if you mainly do events and don't need boat storage they are an economic way of being 'qualified'
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Originally posted by eric_c

Bit disrespectful to the model boat club if they are not members?

I don't suppose their subs are very expensive compared to a full on sailing club, so we can assume its genuine membership. If someone was to enter an event claiming to be a member of a club that in fact they were not then that would actually be rather serious misconduct.
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Just curious, but is there an actual purpose to require belonging to a club or the RYA for an event? I cant think of one that makes a material difference to the event so am asking out of genuine curiosity.

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Yes there is. I'm not sure of the fine detail, but AIUI it means that because you are a member of a club in a affiliation chain up to the RYA and World Sailing you have accepted that those bodies have jurisdiction over you in a way that they don't for random members of the public.
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Originally posted by Chris_H

Just curious, but is there an actual purpose to require belonging to a club or the RYA for an event? I cant think of one that makes a material difference to the event so am asking out of genuine curiosity.


World Sailing can only write rules which apply to its members and affiliates, they have no jurisdiction over people who are not members.
In the limit, if someone was racing and was not affiliated, interactions between boats would be controlled by colregs not the rules according to WS.
It's like the FA can't tell people how to play Rugby or American 'football'.
On another level, if you don't buy into the rules and organsation framework, you're not entitled to benefit from it.

It's often a moot point, because the class association is an affiliated body and the event is only open to association members.
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Originally posted by eric_c

It's often a moot point, because the class association is an affiliated body and the event is only open to association members.

Exactly. Oh well, just curious

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