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Sailerf
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Topic: Rules and rudders Posted: 20 Apr 21 at 3:09pm |
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Hi would any one know if you are permitted to sail part of a race with a rudder raised for a period to gain an advantage. ie raising it to sail over an obstruction instead of going around it or sailing up a shore to get out of the tide. To be clear hitting the bottom and it coming up and not putting it down until you are back in enough water with out taking the piss is something quite different. Thanks in advance for you input.
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H2
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 20 Apr 21 at 4:17pm | |
Commonly done on lakes with lots of weeds. I have seen people sail a whole race with the rudder up, especially on very light wind days! Never heard or thought it was an issue
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JimC
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 20 Apr 21 at 5:25pm | |
There are classes which require the rudder to be fully down at all times, but that's a class rules thing. There is nothing in the racing rules of sailing requiring you to sail with a rudder at all!
What isn't permitted is to use the rudder for paddling or sculling, to propel the boat or even scull the stern round in a tack, but although having the rudder part up may make such illegal actions more effective, its not banned per se. |
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423zero
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 20 Apr 21 at 5:45pm | |
There is also a substantial increase in load through the rudder and associated fittings, possibly leading to breakage.
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davidyacht
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 20 Apr 21 at 8:15pm | |
Dagger rudder would sort that one Interesting situation where someone can establish room going down a beach having little control, while the boat with the rudder down might be more in control, but has to give room
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jeffers
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 21 Apr 21 at 9:28am | |
As others have said nothing in the RRS but class rules may prescribe that the rudder must be fully lowered during racing (like the ILCA/Laser for one).
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Paul
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KazRob
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 21 Apr 21 at 9:32am | |
I'm sure I have heard of the Aussie Musto Skiffs regularly sailing with dagger style rudders half up in some conditions
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GML
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 21 Apr 21 at 9:50am | |
The ILCA/Laser class rules actually allow you to sail with the rudder raised in shallow water: "14.(j) The rudder shall be maintained in the full down
position except whilst racing in water less than
1.5m deep unless otherwise specified in the sailing
instructions."
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jeffers
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 21 Apr 21 at 9:57am | |
That;s new since my ILCA/Laser days then.....
Most inlands clubs that suffer from weed tend to turn a blind eye for club racing on that though. |
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Paul
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jeffers
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 21 Apr 21 at 9:58am | |
I do on my D-Zero if sailing in a shallow lake with weed.
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Paul
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