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    Posted: 25 Mar 21 at 9:18pm
How many of you have read the latest 40 page tract from the RYA on equality diversity and whatever? If your sailing club or affiliated class is affiliated to the RYA you are now committed to mixing your sailing with active participation in the aims of the current crop of equality fanatics. You may go up to anyone in your club who has a bigger boat than yours and demand to be allowed to sail it. In some Olympic classes you may not race unless accompanied by a woman. In Scotland this person may be a man identifying as a woman. If the kids from the local tinker camp want to go for a sail you must oblige them (done that). Interestingly the RYA seems to know how many sailors there are in each of several unconventional orientation categories.

Has anyone got any views on this?
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Yes and my view is you are posting this trying to make trouble and are using words that are trying to make division within the people reading it ( ie wokebomb and fanatics. )  Ouch
I am a white man who is nearly 60 so I had to google what woke means. Basically it means you are anti fascist, anti sexist and anti racist . 
That means I happy to be woke and I would hope most right minded people would want to be the same. 
I will not post on this thread again as I feel it’s just trying to divisive. Unhappy
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Originally posted by Grumpycat

Yes and my view is you are posting this trying to make trouble and are using words that are trying to make division within the people reading it ( ie wokebomb and fanatics. )  Ouch
I am a white man who is nearly 60 so I had to google what woke means. Basically it means you are anti fascist, anti sexist and anti racist . 
That means I happy to be woke and I would hope most right minded people would want to be the same. 
I will not post on this thread again as I feel it’s just trying to divisive. Unhappy

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Originally posted by Wetabix

How many of you have read the latest 40 page tract from the RYA on equality diversity and whatever? If your sailing club or affiliated class is affiliated to the RYA you are now committed to mixing your sailing with active participation in the aims of the current crop of equality fanatics. You may go up to anyone in your club who has a bigger boat than yours and demand to be allowed to sail it. In some Olympic classes you may not race unless accompanied by a woman. In Scotland this person may be a man identifying as a woman. If the kids from the local tinker camp want to go for a sail you must oblige them (done that). Interestingly the RYA seems to know how many sailors there are in each of several unconventional orientation categories.

Has anyone got any views on this?

Yes, I have some views. Perhaps the irony regarding the tone of your post eludes you. Your post highlights the very reason why the RYA are doing what they are doing. 



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Before everyone just dismisses this, whilst I don't necesserily agree with what was said and certainly not the provocative way its been said, I think the OP has actually just said what a lot of members of inner city clubs feel.

As we come out of the COVID crisis our governing body should be helping clubs to get back to where they were before it started rather than putting out yet more hoops for clubs to jump through in order to tick boxes for the next lot of funding or the RDOs next promotion.

If they did the former they would probably tick all the diversity boxes anyway so why make yet more work for volunteers?
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Has anyone got any views on this?

Yes, glad to see it.
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Good on the RYA.  I am generally dismissive of whatever “woke” means, but it is time for our sport to move on from the attitudes of 1950’s (despite my strap line).  I followed a similar thread on a ski forum following a pretty crass item on Ski Sunday about ethnicity and reflected that sailing seems to be a similarly WASP activity.  So if the RYA, who have no doubt paid consultants to produce this report and policy statement, well done.  It doesn’t take very long to read it and the concepts are neither difficult to comprehend or implement.  My only caveat, and this applies to a host of WASPish sports is that, are there factors apart from the barriers of cost and class that make sailing unattractive to “diversity” groups which will never make the sport appealing to them?  

Incidentally my children define “woke” simply that there is no need to be unpleasant and cause offence to people,  sometimes this is hard to do and we fail, but imo this is not a bad ethos.
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Haven't read it, probably won't but I do wonder how many Sailing Clubs still have the ability to black ball applications for membership, for any reason? It was still in the constitution of our club not so long ago, clearly they didn't like just anyone joining and let's face it who of us would want to join a club that would let people like us be a member anyway? (to paraphrase Groucho Marx)
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It actually goes very deep in sailing in the uk.
One very Important discrepancy that we have noted is the massive sex discrepancy on voting rights within one of the clubs I am a member of.
Each family membership only has one vote who is registered when they join.
Family membership is one of the largest categories.
This has led to 80% of the voting members being male. The female members have been left with no ability to affect change. This was noted because there are so few female members on our committee.
There has been a discussion to possibly grant a second vote to family memberships to help address this.

What do other clubs do?

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How many family memberships do you have where both partners are active sailors? And how do you know they have not discussed how to use their vote when it is the male member who sticks his hand up? I agree that allowing family memberships two votes could well be a good thing but that could result in one member casting both votes* rather than both members using their votes independently so not entirely the solution.

* Obviously when AGMs return and attendance is require to exercise your vote that issue would be solved.
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