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CASC clubs have had this for years, you can't refuse anyone who wants to join, even, if they can't afford the subs, you can't even sanction members who refuse to do their duty.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Chris_H Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Mar 21 at 5:58pm
I canít see why anyone would have an issue with their policy and strategy. All makes sense and probably long overdue.

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The fact his is even a forum thread is reason to acknowledge it is required
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Peaky Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Mar 21 at 9:01pm
Itís clearly not in the least bit controversial to want to make boating accessible and attractive to all.

I find the table on page 21 quite hard to believe though - white people are under represented and black people over represented in water sports, including RYA activities. I am not comfortable making such binary distinctions between people based on skin pigmentation but that stat doesnít resemble my sailing club.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sam.Spoons Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Mar 21 at 9:19pm
The stats are pretty much incomprehensible to anybody but a statistician  and I'll bet they cost a fortune to prepare...  Censored
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Doug H Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Mar 21 at 7:39am
Wetabix, i'll engage because one of us seems a bit confused.  

Originally posted by Wetabix

If your sailing club or affiliated class is affiliated to the RYA you are now committed to mixing your sailing with active participation in the aims of the current crop of equality fanatics.

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying..... Would need an example to understand this sentence.

Originally posted by Wetabix

You may go up to anyone in your club who has a bigger boat than yours and demand to be allowed to sail it.

I'm going to go ahead and just assume this isn't true.  No one with a privately owned boat is under any obligation to let anyone else sail it.  
However, I could believe that the rya would encourage clubs to do their own try-a-boat days to give opportunities for new members to try a range of boats with the help of willing boat owning volunteers.  

Originally posted by Wetabix

In some Olympic classes you may not race unless accompanied by a woman.

Were you also aware that you may not race some other olympic classes unless accompanied by a man!  Why on earth the 49er isn't a designated olympic singlehander I'm sure infuriates us all.  If you're a man wanting to sail a 49er at the olympics, you have literally no choice, you have to sail with another man.   LOL LOL LOL

Originally posted by Wetabix

In Scotland this person may be a man identifying as a woman.

And then you'll HAVE to be accompanied by them when you start your olympic campaign next year???  Not quite sure what your problem is here.  


Originally posted by Wetabix

If the kids from the local tinker camp want to go for a sail you must oblige them (done that).

Yes, if clubs want to not be a non-profit and not pay tax on all those membership fees, if they want access to RYA resources and support and if they want to be eligible for a range of rather large sports grants, yes you have to do something for the sport.  My sailing club has for years taken groups from local schools sailing, completely free to the schools and it has been considered a great success and something the club is very proud of.  I don't think a single member sees it as a negative.  
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Final summary -  People have got quite peeved off by your post but I just find it so confusing.  Each bit I read, I just think "Is this a problem?  Why is this a problem?  I'm being thick, the problem is here somewhere..... what is it?!"  
However, I have a solution!  This sounds like a generational thing and a lack of adapting to world as it moves on.  So, can I recommend to help smooth the transition to the current world, try listening to some k-pop.  Mamamoo is a great place to start.  If you're really ambitious you could try Super Junior but it might be a bit much to start with.  



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Can I wade back in as I possibly didnt explain very well.

I am a member of an inner city club. We had our first female commodore in the 1980s. We have had members of all shapes forms and colours since i joined in the mid 1990s. I don't actually see that this is a cause for celebration, because it should be normal.

What I object to is being told that being just open to anyone (And having proof that this is the case going back decades) isn't good enough. I'm not sure if its RYA doctrine or local council pressure (Probably a bit of both) but we are now it seems obliged to be seen to positively discriminate in our membership recruitment because we happen to sit in a part of the city that has a high percentage of people of a certain ethnic background.

This is wrong. It wastes hours of volunteer time (We have held specific open days targeted at that audience in addition to our normal open days) working to provide taster sessions to people who are never going to become part of the club. The accusation from the outside is exactly what many people who have previously posted in this thread have made against the OP, but this is simply not the case - it isn't the clubs fault if the local populace within 3 miles of the pond don't like sailing!

With due respect to our countryside and coastal members you may not be seeing this just yet, and if 50 year out of date attitudes are still in the fore it may be a good thing to start to change. But there will come a point where you have to start to push back.

So, the OP may be wrong. He may have put his point across badly. But I can see why he did it.


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Originally posted by Paramedic

Can I wade back in as I possibly didnt explain very well.

I am a member of an inner city club. We had our first female commodore in the 1980s. We have had members of all shapes forms and colours since i joined in the mid 1990s. I don't actually see that this is a cause for celebration, because it should be normal.

What I object to is being told that being just open to anyone (And having proof that this is the case going back decades) isn't good enough. I'm not sure if its RYA doctrine or local council pressure (Probably a bit of both) but we are now it seems obliged to be seen to positively discriminate in our membership recruitment because we happen to sit in a part of the city that has a high percentage of people of a certain ethnic background.

This is wrong. It wastes hours of volunteer time (We have held specific open days targeted at that audience in addition to our normal open days) working to provide taster sessions to people who are never going to become part of the club. The accusation from the outside is exactly what many people who have previously posted in this thread have made against the OP, but this is simply not the case - it isn't the clubs fault if the local populace within 3 miles of the pond don't like sailing!

With due respect to our countryside and coastal members you may not be seeing this just yet, and if 50 year out of date attitudes are still in the fore it may be a good thing to start to change. But there will come a point where you have to start to push back.

So, the OP may be wrong. He may have put his point across badly. But I can see why he did it.

Paramedic.  I think this is something different.  You're coming from a position of citing frustrations and concerns of having put the effort in, seeing it go nowhere, and then feeling criticised for supposedly not being open enough.  
I think it would do well for people from to RYA to have a chat with your club and understand measures that have been tried, local area information and frustrations.  
I think quite frankly anyone would want to have those conversations with you to gain a better understanding.  
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sussex Lad Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Mar 21 at 8:33am
Crikey, the war on woke has surfaced on the water.

It's a culture war according to some of the media. The unwoke have declared war on the woke

As is usual in these types of "war" the participants are insisting it's a binary issue rather than a sliding scale...Us and them rather than shades of grey.

If forced into a position (and I'd rather not be) then I would have say I'm on the listening and respectful side of the sliding scale, I consciously make an effort to be considerate of others, sadly I sometimes fail terribly but that's life I suppose.

Those that insist it's a binary, divided "war" have been manipulated into that position by unscrupulous politicians with a supporting press who spread and exploit fear.

Covid isn't helping either. Stress generally tends to make populations less considerate of  others, it promotes self interest. Totally understandable but still unfortunate.




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Post Options Post Options   Quote Chris_H Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 Mar 21 at 8:35am
I dont see anywhere where the OP had singled out the scenario you describe Paramedic. His post was pretty offensive in general, completely tone deaf, especially bearing in mind recent events, and, possibly, either a troll post or someone from when dinosaurs ruled the earth

To your point, there is nothing wrong in some form of positive discrimination in order to redress the balance. You gotta start somewhere. I dont know the rules you are obliged by (and why) at your inner city club and maybe that needs some discussion at committe level (if not already done). Clearly, for some people and for some ethnic groups, sailing isnt ever going to be for them. But in either case, you shouldnt force it though it can be encouraged.
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