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Sam.Spoons
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Topic: Rule 78 (Compliance with Class Rules Posted: 09 Oct 20 at 2:21pm |
LPE are marketing a mk 2 sail and compost top mast so maybe they are not entirely responsible... And Heini has decent credentials.
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423zero
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 09 Oct 20 at 1:40pm |
'Heini' Wellman, who is president of thelaserclass.com was president of world sailing.
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Late starter
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 09 Oct 20 at 11:38am |
I wonder who's really behind this, and is thelaserclass.com more than a website designed to sow confusion and generate a view that says ICLA/Laser, what's the difference ? I'm not usually a conspiracy theorist but I wonder if LPE are behind this as it feels like classic confusion marketing and LPE would gain more than most from it.
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423zero
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 09 Oct 20 at 9:49am |
They aren't going to allow carbon top mast or mk2 sails by the look of it, had nearly 800 members worldwide on April 2020.
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Robert
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davidyacht
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 09 Oct 20 at 9:35am |
Wow, what a mess ... I thought for a moment that a group of sailors had got together to create an umbrella for ILCA, PSE, replica sails etc. ... but this is not the case
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423zero
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 09 Oct 20 at 9:17am |
https://www.thelaserclass.com/
This is their site. |
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Brass
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 09 Oct 20 at 12:09am |
Nick and Paul,
I get your drift. I think the operation of PY for the NotALaser Class has hitherto relied on a 'gentleperson's agreement' not to protest for class non-compliance. I don't have a problem with this: I think it's commonsensical and shows a nice 'club' spirit. Just let someone try to race a Rooster tall rig of the Laser PY, and I bet there'll be protests soon enough, and rightly so. Does anyone know how the new NotALaser Class Association treats 'replica' sails etc? Does the NotALaser Class permit RealLaser Class parts and equipment? |
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NickM99
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 08 Oct 20 at 5:18pm |
That is an interesting take on RRS 78. I looked at an old Siljuice Great Lakes NoR and it said under eligibility "The event is open to MONOHULL dinghies only (Includes Vortex). To be eligible boats shall have an event
yardstick (See Appendix 1)." So if that wording is adopted again for the next series they will presumably have to publish separate if identical handicaps for the ILCA and LP dinghies.
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JimC
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 08 Oct 20 at 3:20pm |
I got an opinion on RRS78 from the RYA a few years ago. Basically a boat not maintained to its class rules ceases to be a member of that class and is not subject to RRS78.
So IMHO its all down to the NOR, which is distinctly sketchy in most club racing. The NOR states what boats are permitted to enter a race. If the NOR specifies International Laser, and you enter a boat that is not an International Laser then that's cheating. But I suspect that the precise letter of the NOR for most club racing would struggle to prohibit a Laser 2000. Edited by JimC - 08 Oct 20 at 3:23pm |
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jeffers
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 07 Oct 20 at 7:37pm |
As I said ILCA (and by extension the UKLA) have no control over what dealers/retailers sell or who they source from. Sailboats are selling ILCAs made by PSA, I doubt their sails comes from Oz they are likely sourced from elsewhere. As the market in the UK is established for training/replica/non-royalty paid sails they would be missing out on revenue if they didnt service it. Or it could simply be a case of stock they already had and they are running it down now they are selling ILCAs. Its a question they might answer if you asked them nicely.
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