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I guess what is frustrating is that the government have had 6 months to plan what lockdown 2.0 will look like, and raft this legislation. 

I totally support a lockdown for the purpose knocking the edge off the curve to slow hospital admissions to a manageable rate. 

But, I do feel outdoor sports and recreation has been given a raw deal. 

Legally it seems you can leave your home to go and exercise alone anywhere (doesn't have to be public, so could be any private club). But then in a sperate section, all private outdoor club are closed, seemingly not just the indoor areas, but all amenities the club offers. 

I get that for exercising with another they want you to use public places. As in private it does seem to be some social distancing breaks down. But all the 'open' private places, like golf clubs, etc, are closed. So you don't have any option anyways.

Recreation, again is fine to leave the house for, and is a pretty loose term. I guess they wanted to avoid the whole 'is this exercise debate' which was a bit nauseating last time and allow for more sedentary, but outdoor activity (like angling). 

But weirdly, fisheries are staying open... because they are not on the list of places that are required to close. Unlike golf courses and water sportscentres). So you can go to a private fishing lake exercise (but not recreation, because recreation must be in a public space?) Say what???

I just don't understand why the legislation can't say 'outdoor you are limited to meeting one other person. No meeting indoors (outside of obvious exemption for work, care and legal obligations). Then close non-essential indoor business, but continue access to their outdoor facilitates. 


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Originally posted by Mozzy



I think lockdown is needed, and will save lives over December- January. But, it's not really a solution, or way of getting thing under control long term (out past a couple of months).†
I certainly don't feel it is in anyway linked to next years sailing season.†
Many classes were able to get up and running in the second half of the summer. Realistically, we could have been doing racing and open events in May and it wouldn't have made the blind bit of difference. We just needed time to test the water, and prove the mitigation. Once the weather improves, there is nothing to stop us picking up where we were in September at the start of the 2021 season.†


No, we could not have run anything beyond basic club racing last May that is an utterly ridiculous statement. My club was still not back to proper racing before last weekend.

A very few classes have got away with running championships at the back end of last summer. I suspect WPNSA will have a field day in 2021 as they are best positioned to deliver.

I hope Iím wrong about 2021 but the government would not have extended furlough unless they were 90% sure it was going to be needed. The first half of next year is in pretty grave danger, and besides towing the line with restrictions as best we can there is not a thing we can do about it.
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I am not talking about what was allowed, or what people chose to do.

As often we weren't allowed to do things, that made no difference to infection rates. And often people chose to not do things (like run opens) that also made no difference to infection rates. 

So I am saying, that we could have run events from May onward and it would have made no difference to infection rates over the summer. 

Once it's sunny, and you follow basic mitigation, we've proven sailing and racing can go on.

I expect outdoor sports to start up pretty quickly. Whether we lose 10, 20 or 100,000 people this winter. 

I think outdoor sport is pretty much completely uncorrelated to virus transmission. So, as for how well the season goes, it makes not one jot of difference how affective this lockdown is, or how bad the winter goes. . 
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All the reasons we are back in lock down in one post.
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The kids going back to school have caused present lockdown, adult flu and colds are caught from kids, however they are better off at school.
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Ok, maybe ďallĒ is a bit harsh but this ďi know better, itís not me itís everyone elseĒ attitude is a huge part of why. Iím not convinced itís kids or else more schools would be closing - not happening or at least unreported in my area.

My patience with the carry on as normal brigade is at an all time low.

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We can discuss the reasons why we've ended up with a 2nd wave and another lockdown but getting back on topic, if sailing as an allowable form of exercise/recreation, and you can sail from publicly accessible venues it seems perverse to disallow sailing from private clubs. In terms of reducing transmission of C19 it's difficult to see a difference.

But, rules is rules and we ain't gonna die from not sailing for a few weeks...

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Originally posted by Paramedic

Ok, maybe ďallĒ is a bit harsh but this ďi know better, itís not me itís everyone elseĒ attitude is a huge part of why. Iím not convinced itís kids or else more schools would be closing - not happening or at least unreported in my area.

My patience with the carry on as normal brigade is at an all time low.


Come on.

I am not suggesting 'carry on as normal'. In the slightest. I am just saying your 'don't sail now, so we can sail in the summer' statement I find tenuous.  I see no link. 

I think we also need to realistic about what this lockdown can achieve. That's not to say I don't think it's needed, I very much do, I hope it can save many lives in next couple of months. But realistically, whether it goes well or not, will make sh*t all difference to next seasons sailing. 

Sailing will be fine next year, because it was actually fine this year. Outdoors is the best place to be.

I hope some more of the social side of sailing can get up and running next year. But I don't think this lockdown will help that in anyway. What that needs is more effective test and trace, quick turnaround mass scale testing, and ideally a vaccine. 
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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

We can discuss the reasons why we've ended up with a 2nd wave and another lockdown but getting back on topic, if sailing as an allowable form of exercise/recreation, and you can sail from publicly accessible venues it seems perverse to disallow sailing from private clubs. In terms of reducing transmission of C19 it's difficult to see a difference.

But, rules is rules and we ain't gonna die from not sailing for a few weeks...


I am surprised outdoor water sports centres got caught up in the list of venues to shut. And golf courses. I wonder what evidence there is for this? I would have thought once indoor facilities are closed, there is no difference in transmission at there places compared to anywhere else. 

Like, you can go to a marina, because they aren't asked to close, and sail from their. But not a sailing club dinghy park?
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Probably because itís easier to close a whole venue than it is to go through the nuances of what can be open at a venue and what canít. How would they differentiate between a club where there isnít a lot of space creating a pinch point and those where it wouldnít be an issue. Im of the opinion that this has to be done with a broad brush to keep it simple. Look what happened over the summer, people were getting very confused as to what was allowed and what wasnít. Hopefully it isnít going to be a long lockdown so letís do our part by staying at home and sitting it out, except for going for a walk each day.
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