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    Posted: 15 Sep 20 at 7:41pm
It's probably 'cos people will buy a winning boat, if you win enough you become a safe bet in the eyes of the average sailor.
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 But are they really any better than an Ovi or BY@B?  Iím sure they make the buying experience pleasant too.
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1a is a mk1 with a new deck mould. Hull is the same.
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Winder seems to be the boat of choice. I seem to recall the P&B Solos are Winder ones fitted out by P&B, I could be wrong though.

Winder have 3 models, Mk1, Mk1a and Mk2 which give a bit of something for everyone.A guy at our club had a 1a and really couldnt get on with it so he now has a 2 which he loves.
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I suppose the differences between boats are relatively small compared with the differences between sailors. I'll bet if the three front guys in a decent club fleet swapped boats with the three at the back their positions would not change.
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I bought a new grp composite Solo ( last century)

I was unhappy with it, it was slow.

Jim Hunt offered to help and I took it for him to sail in a very competitive club fleet. He won both races. And he hadn't made any changes.

I wonder how?

And yes, the wooden double floor ones are way faster!

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I had quite a nice looking GRP composite Solo a few years back and my experience was also that it wasn't a quick boat. A pal of mine had a half decent wooden boat of similar age and value and it was way quicker, so I agree with Sam.


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Originally posted by Mark Aged 42

Out of curiousity, there seems to be a steady supply of older Holt Solos on eBay. Are these likely to be hopelessly heavy, or uncompetitve shapes?

Older GRP solos have a reputation for being soft/flexible/not stiff but overweight and the joints between the tanks and hull are often weak or failing. Basically, before the introduction of FRP fibreglass was a poor material to build boats designed for plywood. GRP works well with 3D curves but not with large flat panels. If you want a cheap, competitive (well, fairly competitive at club level), old Solo then a good wooden boat is the only way to go.
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they are lovely guys to deal with... it feels like a proper piece of craftmanship when you pick one up.
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Originally posted by davidyacht

Because the residual values for Solos are high relative to the replacement cost, I replace every two or three years, and I suspect the depreciation cost is around £ 500* each year , which is not bad considering I sail most weeks.† *man maths!††
There are quite a few that do this and it doesn't hurt the class to have a steady supply of not quite new boats.
Worth bearing in mind that the Solo that won the Nations Cup last year was a Winder 1 and around 10 years old.


Makes sense. Europe class could definitely do with a pipeline of good used boats like that.
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