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Originally posted by H2

is there a future for the 9?

Well, equally, is there a future for the H2?
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Originally posted by Oinks

Originally posted by H2

is there a future for the 9?

Well, equally, is there a future for the H2?

There very different animals aren't they?

The Aero obviously has a future, and the 9 will attract an audience based upon the theory that if you're large extra sail area is what you want - I've made my thoughts on that clear.

The H2 doesn't have RS marketing behind it and while it was aimed at a specific audience and to get around specific problems that singlehanders suffer from its far from an easy boat to sail. So yes, it has a future but it in my view it'll be another RS300 with a niche following. 
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Nice bit of trolling by the OP, followed by a strong defence from the RS machine!  Neither the Aero 9 nor H2 is my cuppa but good luck to you both.
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Originally posted by Paramedic

 
The Aero obviously has a future, and the 9 will attract an audience based upon the theory that if you're large extra sail area is what you want - I've made my thoughts on that clear.

Thanks but I think there is a lot more to it than that.

The RS Aero 9 is a more exciting and energetic sailing experience by virtue of its extra sail area. Some like energetic, some don't. Some like energetic some of the time, like the controlled situation of an easy sheltered venue or shorter sailing time, maybe a club race or a quick training sail.

There are plenty of RS Aero 9 sailors who are not large, most often found on smaller lakes or when it is not overly windy. We could actually do with more large sailors and there is plenty of opportunity to be had by them.

I am not large and I really enjoy my RS Aero 9. Over 6 seasons I have competed in equal numbers of nationals - three in the RS Aero 9 and three in the RS Aero 7. Actually this year will now be four in the RS Aero 9 with the re-schedule. An important factor in our dinghy sailing is variety as it keeps our interest. Sometimes I choose the RS Aero 7 for a big fleet experience and sometimes I choose the extra excitement and challenge of the RS Aero 9.

I am now really excited with the new focus of the RS Aero 9 UK National Championships at Draycote on 10/11th Oct in 4 weeks and the 9 rig will remain the rig of choice on my RS Aero for the next few weeks at least.
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This weekend has seen an interesting test of the relative PY of the RS Aero 9 relative to the RS Aero 7. There were 6 events held in 5 countries with them racing against each other on their local time correction factor 'PYs'.

Check out the results here; RS Aero Reports and Results

In summary;

UK; 
Using 'RYA PY'; RS Aero 7 : RS Aero 9 = 1065 : 1014 = 105.0%
At Burton SC three RS Aero 9s got 2nd, 4th, 5th out of 13 mixed 7s and 9s.                    

USA; 
Using 'US Portsmouth'; RS Aero 7 : RS Aero 9 = 91.3 : 87.3 = 104.6%
At Massapoag the fleet of 13 had 11 RS Aero 9s with the RS Aero 7s taking 2nd and 4th.

Czech Republic;
I think the were using similar PY numbers to the UK.
At Lipno the fleet of 13 CZE and GER sailors had six RS Aero 9s and seven RS Aero 7s and the RS Aero 9s finisher 1,2,4,5,8,9 so fairly equal but marginal benefit to the 9s.

Sweden;
Using Time Correction Factor; RS Aero 5 : RS Aero 7 : RS Aero 9 = 0,786 : 0,838 : 0,880 = 105.0% between the 7s and 9s.
At Alingas on Saturday the sole RS Aero 9 (bias in the entry list towards RS Aero 5s) was 8th out of 10, but splitting the three RS Aero 7s (but with respect, he is a Great Grand Master at 75yrs+ !)
 
Switzerland; 
Using Swiss numbers; RS Aero 7 : RS Aero 9 = 113 : 109 = 103.7%
At Hallwil, probably in light breezes, in a mixed fleet including 505s out of the 6 RS Aeros the 3 RS Aero 9s took 1st, 3rd & 4th against the 3 RS Aero 7s.

So overall over the weekend just gone the RS Aero 9s were certainly holding their own on balance against the RS Aero 7s and there is RS Aero 9 activity with calendared events across several counties, in addition to local racing & sailing. 
As ever, lots of factors and variables apply!


Edited by Peter Barton - 16 Sep 20 at 11:47am
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Looking at those figures it seems the Aero 9, contrary to the OP's supposition is actually a bit of a bandit  LOL
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Post Options Post Options   Quote H2 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Sep 20 at 7:52am
Originally posted by Oinks

Originally posted by H2

is there a future for the 9?

Well, equally, is there a future for the H2?

Good question - and yes I think there is. Second hand boats are holding their value well at around £8,500 to £9,000 and they seem to sell within a few days of being listed. One of the most well known sailors in the UK just commissioned a boat which will help raise the classes profile.

It is certainly a niche boat and I very much doubt will be a mass market proposition in the way that clearly the Aero has done amazingly well. I actually asked the question out of genuine interest as I was considering a second boat and the Aero was on the list rather than as a troll!!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote H2 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Sep 20 at 7:56am
Originally posted by A2Z

Nice bit of trolling by the OP, followed by a strong defence from the RS machine!  Neither the Aero 9 nor H2 is my cuppa but good luck to you both.

I was not trolling - I was considering a second boat but as I am 92kg I would really need the 9 rig but my observations were that it did not seem to go well against the 7 rig and I wanted to avoid a situation where I got an Aero knowing that I needed to sail the 9 and finding out that the class was gravitating around the 5 and 7 rigs. It was a genuine question and I have enjoyed the responses, especially from Peter!
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Originally posted by H2

Originally posted by A2Z

Nice bit of trolling by the OP, followed by a strong defence from the RS machine!  Neither the Aero 9 nor H2 is my cuppa but good luck to you both.

I was not trolling - I was considering a second boat but as I am 92kg I would really need the 9 rig but my observations were that it did not seem to go well against the 7 rig and I wanted to avoid a situation where I got an Aero knowing that I needed to sail the 9 and finding out that the class was gravitating around the 5 and 7 rigs. It was a genuine question and I have enjoyed the responses, especially from Peter!

He does have a vested interest in the Aero being their class manager and getting some kind of renumeration from RS for doing so.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Cirrus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Sep 20 at 4:36pm
..... "He does have a vested interest in the Aero being their class manager and getting some kind of renumeration from RS for doing so.. "

And even if true what is your point -  Is the implication here that someone needs to be paid to say here what they might well support anyway ?  (There are far easier ways to earn a crust than lobbying in this paticular market segment !)  .  Many non paid contributors might well have their own undeclared interests that they quietly promote as well.  Sometimes it may involve subtle direct promotion .. and other times less subtle indirect 'promotion' of their own preferred classes. What was that ...  you never knew ?  Wink
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