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Originally posted by Cirrus

Blaze hulls are around 51kg


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Experimentally we build one (bare) Blaze hull down to 46 kg way back.  Add wings, centreboard, all lines and correctors to get up to 72kg.  Note this was simply an exercise to see what limits might exist - another 6-7kg is so much easier, durable, less expensive to build and robust though.   The minimum weight rule of 72kg means that older boats remain within striking distance of the newest ones plus a long competiitve life is assured and older boats can act as 'first' boats for many in the class.   

But as already said maybe not 'ideal' for you.  You've tried it twice now, never attended any class training or even a single Blaze event to my knowledge and are obviously still struggling with your boat on the water.   Only a real optimist might approach the same challenge in the same way more than once and expect a different (ie better) outcome.   Do yourself a favour - sell your Blaze yet again  ....  (and get yourself an Aero - it is for the best but do attend some sort of training !) Wink

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Originally posted by Cirrus

obviously still struggling with your boat on the water.  


Er not so much as first time round, but I am strugglling to get it to and from the water and it is so ponderous once on the water when you come from sailing say the Solution or the Farr which are the other boats I'm currently using and it could be so much nicer a boat if it didn't struggle to perform in marginal planing.
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GRF .... so why on earth did you buy a second Blaze if you already have 'better' more suited boats to enjoy ?  ... er ... that is ones more suited to your particular requirements.   Can't resist them despite yourself - is it something like that ?   I'm very happy for you in your Solution or what have you if that is what ticks your boxes.  I know plenty of good lightweights in the Blaze class but light or heavy you still do need to be reasonably fit and prepared to work at refining your technique.   And it takes a lot more time on the water - not the keyboard.  Funny thing is the good lightweights never mention the weight of the boat even in passing.... and not just because they have alloy trolleys these days.

Still think you would be a lot better off in an Aero 5 or 7 though ....  Go on you know you want to really... and there really would be a queue to buy your Blaze.    Wink  
 


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GRF .... so why on earth did you buy a second Blaze if you already have 'better' more suited boats to enjoy ?  ... er ... that is ones more suited to your particular requirements.   Wink  
 


A moment of madness and my (for use on the sea) boat being laid up for repair, it was also not particularly useful in sub trapezing conditions and I frequently break it. The Solution I use on the lake, winter and midweek wednesday afternoon club in the summer. So the Blaze was to be a fill in for sub 15 knots on the sea, then Covid hit and it's been used only a few times, this year has been a wipeout really.

So I'm actually thinking of a mass sell of all of them and trying one last time to either build myself or mayben get someone to build something that might suit me. I have had thoughts of finding where the V3000 moulds are and trying to persuade someone to build me one of those with a retracting centreboard, deck re inforced for a more forward mast postion and try that for single handed trapeze use.
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iGRF - why not turn up for a demo day on the H2......nah, do what Mike says and buy an Aero!
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iGRF - why not turn up for a demo day on the H2......nah, do what Mike says and buy an Aero!

I would, the very moment there's one close enough not to get a nosebleed from travelling.. I've been wanting a go since I first set eyes on the lighter version of the Hadron, in fact it's the perfect boat for my chum who's getting a tad fed up with kneeling in his Phantom.

Probably that Fat headed rag is a bit much for my sylphlike figure, but I'd be interested to find out why it doesn't go in light weather, to my mind it should fly.
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Originally posted by H2

iGRF - why not turn up for a demo day on the H2......nah, do what Mike says and buy an Aero!

I would, the very moment there's one close enough not to get a nosebleed from travelling.. I've been wanting a go since I first set eyes on the lighter version of the Hadron, in fact it's the perfect boat for my chum who's getting a tad fed up with kneeling in his Phantom.

Probably that Fat headed rag is a bit much for my sylphlike figure, but I'd be interested to find out why it doesn't go in light weather, to my mind it should fly.

Rocker and wetted area, it's a relatively low rocker hull with a fair bit of width at the back to get it planing nice and early. To be fast in the light stuff a hull needs rocker to keep the ends out of the water and no huge flat planing area at the back, i.e. traditional boats like the Solo and Enterprise. Being narrow at the waterline is another big factor (which is why the 300 is so quick in light airs) but that comes with a stability penalty so is nearly always a compromise (Moths excepted...).
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Rocker and wetted area, it's a relatively low rocker hull with a fair bit of width at the back to get it planing nice and early. To be fast in the light stuff a hull needs rocker to keep the ends out of the water and no huge flat planing area at the back, i.e. traditional boats like the Solo and Enterprise. Being narrow at the waterline is another big factor (which is why the 300 is so quick in light airs) but that comes with a stability penalty so is nearly always a compromise (Moths excepted...).

Almost no rocker on a 300 though so its no where near its potential until you really get the benefit from the wings and power on, but being narrow on the waterline  it also reaches its performance potential quicker and try as I might I haven't got it going more than 15 knots inland irrespective of how much wind there is and most boats in its performance PY bracket (and above) will ultimately go faster!

Everyone should have a few goes in a 300 - one is not enough, its no where near as unstable as you might think once you've stopped chasing it and relaxed a little and that then make for a delightful and light feeling boat.

Apart from 'that picture', full chat in a 300 is a pretty level affair - there's certainly no major bow up attitude
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Originally posted by H2

iGRF - why not turn up for a demo day on the H2......nah, do what Mike says and buy an Aero!

I would, the very moment there's one close enough not to get a nosebleed from travelling.. I've been wanting a go since I first set eyes on the lighter version of the Hadron, in fact it's the perfect boat for my chum who's getting a tad fed up with kneeling in his Phantom.

Probably that Fat headed rag is a bit much for my sylphlike figure, but I'd be interested to find out why it doesn't go in light weather, to my mind it should fly.

Lots of boats on the East Coast now and an event this weekend at Walton and Frinton YC if that is not a million miles away! The boat seems to attract people from 70kg through to 100kg so I suspect you would be at the lighter end of that but Dave Baker is less than 70kg and has worked out how to de-power the rig upwind and go like a rocket off wind. I am nearer 92kg and steam past people upwind and then have to fight to keep the lighter boys behind on the way back down! In the light winds we are getting closer to working out how to change gears and keep the boat going well, I suspect that Nick Craigs decision to buy a boat will help us out in working this out!
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