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Originally posted by H2

Paul - maybe I should have been clearer, what I meant was not only the total number of races recorded by the RYA (which IME records number of races in a handicap setting rather than in a fleet as many clubs do not submit fleet data to RYA) but the number of races per boat sold. Aeros are much more actively raced than Lasers based on the numbers I see serving as plant pots.

It's inevitable that a new class will be more active relative to the number of boats built and I'm not sure how it's relevant in this context? Nearly all old boats will become unloved and abandoned eventually and even if we could guess how many Lasers were in a sailable condition in the UK it wouldn't really be relevant, what matters is how many people are racing them. As Aero numbers continue to increase I reckon they will eventually become a more active racing class than the Laser.

But, if the comparison with the Laser is unreasonable how about comparing the Aero with the Supernova? The Aero has over 2000 boats sold, say 1000 are Aero 7s, the Supernova between 300 and 400 so around 1/3rd of the number but has around 400 more races returned that the Aero 7...

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there are lies, damn lies and statistics.....
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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

 

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there are lies, damn lies and statistics.....

LOL LOL LOL

And anything a politician says.....


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When I was first studying stats at Uni ... most of a lifetime and a very long time ago now we had to 'read  around' one particular course in advance .  On the reading list to prepare us was one enjoyable lighter read ...  "How to lie with statistics" and it is probably still in print today.

Surprisingly useful in hindsight if for no other reason than it developed a quick awareness or recognition for BS 'backed' by stats....  It becmes fairly obvious once you recognise the whiff  !
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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

....how about comparing the Aero with the Supernova? The Aero has over 2000 boats sold, say 1000 are Aero 7s, the Supernova between 300 and 400 so around 1/3rd of the number but has around 400 more races returned that the Aero 7...

Who said statistics are boring?  Embarrassed

Over 2400 RS Aeros (#3400) are built worldwide. However, worthy of consideration in this context is that the large proportion of them are outside the UK. Well done to the Supernovas though.

On 'turnout proportions' I was pleased at the first ever calendarised RS Aero event, the Oxford Blue in January 2015, to have 25 RS Aero entries when only about 125 had been sold in the UK at that time. Sure, others may have better proportions but for an RS Aero type boat (suits home club sailors) on a rainy day in the depths of winter I was pleased with 20%.

The RS Aero UK Inlands Champs next weekend is now up to 87 entries, with (Back on topic!) a nice fleet of 22 RS Aero 9s assembled for the re-scheduled Nationals and it looks more competitive than ever.
For PY race numbers return data benefit it is (almost Wink) a shame we are not PY racing, with 8 races we would generate some 700 race turnout data points. Obviously Class racing is preferable whenever numbers allow...
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Thumbs Up to the RS Aero Class, they, and RS are doing a great job.
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Originally posted by ian.r.mcdonald

Back in the day of 9 or 10 popular national coverage classes... Whilst I can see the advantage of having a myriad of classes

You've got an attack of rose tinted specs... Back in the day there were a lot more active classes and just as high a proportion of small classes as there are now.
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Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by ian.r.mcdonald

Back in the day of 9 or 10 popular national coverage classes... Whilst I can see the advantage of having a myriad of classes

You've got an attack of rose tinted specs... Back in the day there were a lot more active classes and just as high a proportion of small classes as there are now.


You are probably right Jim. And its positive that better build quality and improved longevity which is pushing manufacturers to chase new designs and options for existing classes.
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RS Aero 9s doing well in north east USA to get twenty RS Aero 9s turnout for the RS Aero Atlantic Coast Champs at Cedar Point YC, CT, USA on Oct 3/4th.  RESULTS







Edited by Peter Barton - 05 Oct 20 at 1:39pm
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RS Aero 9s doing well in north east USA to get twenty RS Aero 9s turnout for the RS Aero Atlantic Coast Champs at Cedar Point YC, CT, USA on Oct 3/4th.  RESULTS






Good to see! They do like a good ole "super size me" over in the USA!
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