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Blimey Sam - what is your rudder made of !?  The other 'removed' bits are fairly standard so the only one with a lot of variance is likely to be the rudder.  The modern centreboard is only about 3.0-3.3kg  after all to give some context.... btw the M7's weight varied a lot as well - this was all to do with the age of the extrusion tooling at the point of production.    We also noticed that carbon (and historically alloy) boom sections varied a considerable amount in terms of weight over time.  Superspares had two different 'weights' of tube that were used, plus back in the Topper days (Mk1+2) you could end up with a  really quite heavy 'generic' bit of carbon (nobody knew who made them either) and when Seldon tubes were used later  they were somewhere in the middle.   The carbon masts on the other hand were very stable and uniform ....   I do suspect your rudder blade/stock though - there were some really 'horrible' lumpy ones way back. (but that has not been true for many years now )

I think GRF's real problem is he needs to put a few KG's on himself if he is to ever do more than dabble with a Blaze and get continually frustrated....  and/or find a better boat more suited to him.   The Aero 7 is possibly as near as he will ever get in this world imo ...  he just has to get on with it.  (And his Blaze will sell within days ...)   
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Carbon mast with rigging 5.3kg (my M7 is 7.8 inc wires), North sail 4.4kg, rudder, stock, tiller and extension 4.1kg. Even accepting that my rudder is heavier than most* (AFAIK it is what was supplied with the boat) I can't see the all up sailing weight being less than about 85kg.

TBH I don't think we'll ever convince Graeme as he's been 'tainted by experience' in particular his windsurfing career (but there were some heavy old lumps back then too, the original Windsurfer hull was 21kg. But TBF his own brand, Mistral, built some of the lightest and most durable boards I've ever raced, in particular the original Competition Superlight and my old Equipe 2 (both were sub 13kg).

* The rudder blade alone weighs 2.2kg, just weighed it as I was concerned it might have taken on some water it being much repaired but that sounds about right if a CB is 3.3kg. Maybe I need a lighter stock and a carbon tiller... The boat is 671 a Topper mk2.


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Might even be worth suggesting a return 'to the boards' ..... maybe not.   I suspect any boat existing now or in the future however will still be found 'wanting' by some - it was ever thus.

 It is much easier, since the sector is unlikely to ever respond 'appropriately' for some, that they   adapt their approach rather than expecting the equipment to be modified, 'improved' or for class associations to rip up their rule book and respond with enthusiasm to the would-be forum revolutionaries etc etc.  So  1) Choose something, a boat type, that suits you in the general sense  2) Work out through training what makes it 'go' rather than seeing everything to do with it 'sub-optimal' when you cannot achieve things instantly. 3) Train with others who already know how to make it 'go' and start going to class events.  4) 'Keep at it' and then afterwards 'Keep at it' even more  5)  Try and enjoy the  learning process... If you do all of the above you will, with reasonable certainty, end up doing pretty well.  Oh and lastly try and stay mostly off the web negatively for enough time to get through 1-5 above before you are tempted to try yet more alternatives !

And do try an Aero out some time would still be the 'nudge' from me for GRF ... It is about as close as you will ever get to your long list of 'wants'.  Seriously and all ‘forum banter’ digs  aside.  (And in case anyone wonders - I don't even own one)

 

Good luck with that one Mr Barton !!



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I think RS have paid grf not to buy one!
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I did demo the Aero, almost from day one of its appearance and I was indeed impressed and don't hesitate to reccommend it, take pride in fact that it's a quiet British success story selling the world over. The Problem was I demo'd the D0 on the same day and at that venue (Grafham) they were chalk and cheese, the D0 excelling in every way so convincing I put the deposit down immediately.

Then I demo'd the D0 on the sea, which undid some of the confidence I had in it being 'the one for me' pity I hadn't had the Aero at hand, then the Solution came along and whilst not as excellent as the key points of the other two, it was a good compromise (and available instantly being S/H) I have enjoyed it ever since and still do for close quarter nip and tuck confined water sailing. The sea where I sail however is a different story and can very quickly become a boring procession, drawn out with usually only a single tactical solution which more often than not is boat speed, waterline length and power. It's only the fairly recent arrival of our new Aero 7 rider who's now dialed it and has certainly won some if not one of the recent series. Indeed wether I'm in the Blaze or the Farr inevitably he's the target between the Lasers and the Contenders to race against.

What would be nice is an Aero weighted trap boat to take on the Contenders with.

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What would be nice is an Aero weighted trap boat to take on the Contenders with

Here we go again !!   The key point made so clearly !!.

OK OK so when unobtainium becomes more commonly used in boats you really might have your wishes come true... until then you will just have to work with what is available / possible in this life.  Just sell the Blaze and get an Aero...  you can sell the Blaze within days - they are about as common in reasonable used condition as chickens teeth at the moment.  You might even make a decent profit.  That nice Mr Barton will help you with the rest ....  Big smile
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I race both the RS Aero 9 and 7; the 9 is great fun! It's so powerful, pops onto a plane super easily and is just exciting to sail.

Admittedly, the 9 can be challenging to sail to its rating in strong breeze compared to a 7, but in under 10 knots it's a total weapon. Once the breeze is up both boats go roughly the same upwind (makes sense, right?), so the 9 has to make up its handicap on the downwind legs. When it gets really windy, the 9 begins luffing on reaches, reducing its advantage. So what? It's still a hoot, allowing heavier sailors to enjoy a fun day on the water!

When talking with people who don't know the Aero, I liken the 9 and 7 to the L@ser Standard and Radial: the Standard is much more powered-up, the Radial is much more of a finesse boat. Like the Radial, the 7 is always searching for power (at least for me at 82kg), and doesn't take well to be manhandled with its flexible lower mast. It's still fun, just a different kind.

A few years ago I raced a 9 at the Alamitos Bay YC Olympic Classes Regatta in Long Beach California. On the long beat out to the racecourse I was sailing next to a Finn. He expressed surprise my "cute little boat" was keeping up so well, but that his boat would blow mine away on a reach. I suggested we bear off to test his assertion, and in 15 knots of wind, I walked away from him so fast it'd make your head spin. He was speechless...
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Originally posted by Cirrus

What would be nice is an Aero weighted trap boat to take on the Contenders with

Here we go again !!   The key point made so clearly !!.

OK OK so when unobtainium becomes more commonly used in boats you really might have your wishes come true... until then you will just have to work with what is available / possible in this life. 

Cirrus - iGRF's crusade for a light, longer that 12ft waterline length, usable, single handed trapeze boat does not require unobtainium. As I hope you know. It just needs a maker to grasp the fact that lightweight does not need extreme sail plans and hull shapes to go together. To my mind it's a reasonable wish.
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.....To my mind it's a reasonable wish.

Of course it is reasonable enough... But if it was already possible, and more importantly was economically viable my guess is that we would have something like it already.   Perhaps you (and GRF) are missing the point.  You could easily argue that the Aero is optimal in meeting the 'reasonable' requirement now.  You know - reasonably fast, light, easy to sail, reasonably affordable, reasonably suitable for lightweights and so on.  But not everybody sees it as 'their reasonable'  or ideal boat naturally.  That is the market we live with, and anyone is free to launch their own 'reasonable' boat.   I don't sail an Aero, have any commercial interest etc etc - but I do believe it is about as close as you will get in the current or next decade to a proper Laser (other names for it are currently available - still a Laser to me though?!) challenger as a 'wide appeal' boat.   Trapeze boats simply cannot command the numbers to make that segment commercially attractive - either for light or heavyweights.  'Sit down' single sail singlehanders were the dominant present and future 20 years ago, still are today and will be in another 20 years imo.Change materials technology and that might no longer hold but I bet it would be applied to still dominate in this obvious majority singlehander segment .   That is my 'reasonable' take on it anyway  ;-) 

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Well just imagine your Blaze made down to Aero weight in two options, with the racks, or without and you use wires?

Oh and a proper sized foil.

And on the fly adjustable forestay.
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