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Originally posted by The Moo

Originally posted by zeon

TBH I think the Dzero is a much better boat and itís where my money will be heading once things get back to something like normal . Smile


Well you heard it here first.... I will be most interested to see how that one pads out.



Well not quite the first lol. You know how things roll in my household lol.


Itís just I have to stop sailing slow boats or I will stop racing altogether and the current club Covid rules  donít help either. And I totally know no other boat will flatter my sailing in the way the British moth does.
The bottom line is , I would rather sail faster boats badly than sail slow boats badly especially as we sail mostly pursuit races . 



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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

Looking at those figures it seems the Aero 9, contrary to the OP's supposition is actually a bit of a bandit  LOL

That would be nice, but not really. 
They show a marginal gain for the RS Aero 9 over the RS Aero 7 last weekend. In reality the winds were light to medium at those 5 locations from east coast USA to the Swiss alpine foothills and Scandinavian lakes.
Importantly to this topic, they do show RS Aero 9 participation at all those calendared events across 5 countries.


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Originally posted by A2Z

Nice bit of trolling by the OP, followed by a strong defence from the RS machine!  Neither the Aero 9 nor H2 is my cuppa but good luck to you both.

I was not trolling - I was considering a second boat but as I am 92kg I would really need the 9 rig but my observations were that it did not seem to go well against the 7 rig and I wanted to avoid a situation where I got an Aero knowing that I needed to sail the 9 and finding out that the class was gravitating around the 5 and 7 rigs. It was a genuine question and I have enjoyed the responses, especially from Peter!

Nice to hear of your interest!

 At lakes, especially smaller lakes like yours, the RS Aero 9 is that much more of a popular option. The flat water makes it easier (rewarding for effort as the breeze increases) and you will be accelerating nicely when the puffs and zephyrs hit (even at 92kg, you are still lighter all up than heavier boats).
At Bowmoor nearby there is a really keen following for the RS Aero 9 and they are all very good!
There are plenty of RS Aero sailors holding their own at around 90kg+, we have front of the fleet sailors over 100kg.
As you are interested, RS currently have a BOATS2020 deal until Sunday. 40% off most accessories and 20% of additional rigs with new boats.

 'Gravitating' is an apt word. With the RS Aero 7 being the largest fleet there is inevitably occasion where some sailors opt for the largest fleet for the biggest race. Conversely, some like to avoid that too. For home club PY racing and mixed fleet PY events that is not such an issue.

 We opened entry on Friday to the re-scheduled RS Aero 9 UK National Championships 2020 at Draycote on 10/11th Oct,  part of the RS Aero UK Inland Champs. By the end of the weekend there were 60+ entries and 15 RS Aero 9s are signed up, which is great.
There could be socially distanced big boys beers for RS Aero 9s in Dunchurch that Sat night, bought by anyone who welches down from the RS Aero 9 entry list to the RS Aero 7 at the last minute!


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Originally posted by Peter Barton

Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

Looking at those figures it seems the Aero 9, contrary to the OP's supposition is actually a bit of a bandit  LOL

That would be nice, but not really.

I'm sure you realised my comment was not meant to be taken entirely seriously  Thumbs Up
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That Blaze is such a ponderous tub when the wind drops in sloppy waves, I got my arse royally handed to me the other night by an Aero 7 ffs, having worked my butt off to nail him down a wavey reach (which he wasn't exactly 'working' to his advantage, we both headed upwind, the wind dropped he took me to weather pointing higher sailing faster, that Blaze can't point for toffee either. I remember why now, it's got a pathetic centreboard for its size, now I fully recall why I flogged it last time. It could be such a great boat if it were twenty kilos lighter and had proper foils.

The Aero does have a damn good handicap considering how light it is. The Blaze is difficult to sail to its full potential unless its flat water and 12 knots but in the right hands does stand a good chance. Perphaps you dont have the right hands or rig set up in your Blaze? They seem to go pretty well at our club against the Aero's. All up, 75Kg for a 4.2meter boat with racks seems pretty reasonable to me... 


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All up, 75Kg for a 4.2meter boat with racks seems pretty reasonable to me... 

Not sure where you've got that figure from but it's incorrect, Blaze hull with fittings, racks and centreboard is 72kg, all up with rig, sail rudder etc is probably around 90kg.
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The Blaze minimum weight includes everything except the rig - ie as it would arrive at a championship event before being put together (when this may be checked !!) . So hull, wings, centreboard in hull, ropes and corrector weights etc etc - all that is excluded is mast, boom, sail and rudder..  Mid to- High 70's kg wise  with a fully carbon rig and a bit higher with an M7 alloy one.  Any boat built in epoxy  (last 13-14+ years) is most likely be under the minimum weight limit without its added correctors.   Better polyester boats also get close to the class minimum weight.

Interestingly without the wing system and before fittings etc are added new hulls are generally around 51-53kg without the builder having to worry too much about long term durability issues. 


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Originally posted by ShipTease


All up, 75Kg for a 4.2meter boat with racks seems pretty reasonable to me...†


And there lyeth the problem all the time dinghy folk think like that, manufacturers will get away with substandard products, or if there are dozy class associations involved making them have to fill the bottom of their crafts with resin just to bring them UP to weight.

I once had lunch at the Southampton boat show, around the time of the RS100 launch (having just bought one) I remember telling my lunch companion if someone launched an easy to sail single hander, sub 50 kilos all up, they'd kill it.
I'll leave you to guess who that 'companion' was, but eventually he did and they did.

Pity no-one else is listening.

Single handed boats should not weigh more than their owners.

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Originally posted by iGRF

 ...Single handed boats should not weigh more than their owners.

Sail what you can carry; 
Windsurf, Moth, RS Aero, Cherub, 18' Skiff...


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sam.Spoons Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Sep 20 at 3:59pm
Originally posted by Cirrus

The Blaze minimum weight includes everything except the rig - ie as it would arrive at a championship event before being put together (when this may be checked !!) . So hull, wings, centreboard in hull, ropes and corrector weights etc etc - all that is excluded is mast, boom, sail and rudder..  Mid to- High 70's kg wise  with a fully carbon rig and a bit higher with an M7 alloy one.  Any boat built in epoxy  (last 13-14+ years) is most likely be under the minimum weight limit without its added correctors.   Better polyester boats also get close to the class minimum weight.

Interestingly without the wing system and before fittings etc are added new hulls are generally around 51-53kg without the builder having to worry too much about long term durability issues. 

Do you mean mid to high 80's Mike? My Blaze carbon mast, boom*, sail and rudder weighs around 16.5kg so that would give an all up of 88.5kg (if my boat was minimum weight). The carbon mast is exactly 2.5kg lighter than the M7 so 91kg with the tin mast.

Not complaining mind you, my Spice adds up to 155kg ready to sail (for context an RS400, with a quoted min hull weight of 88kg has an all up sailing weight, from the RS website, of 129kg)

*I'm guessing the boom weight at 2.7kg, everything else is as weighed.


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