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Originally posted by H2

Paul - maybe I should have been clearer, what I meant was not only the total number of races recorded by the RYA (which IME records number of races in a handicap setting rather than in a fleet as many clubs do not submit fleet data to RYA) but the number of races per boat sold. Aeros are much more actively raced than Lasers based on the numbers I see serving as plant pots.

It's inevitable that a new class will be more active relative to the number of boats built and I'm not sure how it's relevant in this context? Nearly all old boats will become unloved and abandoned eventually and even if we could guess how many Lasers were in a sailable condition in the UK it wouldn't really be relevant, what matters is how many people are racing them. As Aero numbers continue to increase I reckon they will eventually become a more active racing class than the Laser.

But, if the comparison with the Laser is unreasonable how about comparing the Aero with the Supernova? The Aero has over 2000 boats sold, say 1000 are Aero 7s, the Supernova between 300 and 400 so around 1/3rd of the number but has around 400 more races returned that the Aero 7...

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Originally posted by ian.r.mcdonald

Back in the day of 9 or 10 popular national coverage classes and Nationals of 100+, the best sailors won races, and the rest of us didn't.

Whilst I can see the advantage of having a myriad of classes and the option of being able to blame your position on incorrect boat purchase choice ( and the dreaded PY commitee), I own up to wishing the " old fashioned" option was still available.

Although I suppose by sailing a wooden Osprey and Solo- the choice is still there.

Ian, its possible that it is me having a brain haemorrhage, but how does this have anything to do with the Aero 9 or other things raised in this post? Or you just fancied flying the flag for a return to the "good old days?"
I bet that there are more Aero's sailed in the UK than any other class......so assume you are going to sell or burn your wooden things and buy an Aero so you can join in - right? Tongue


Sorry, I must have misread the other comments about Blazes etc etc and assumed the conversation had moved on to other boats.

I will stick with my " good old days " boats and watch from a distance
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H2 and D0 would score high there. Any new racing class will.

So do classes where 20 were built in the 1950s and they are all still sailing in one harbour.
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Paul - maybe I should have been clearer, what I meant was not only the total number of races recorded by the RYA (which IME records number of races in a handicap setting rather than in a fleet as many clubs do not submit fleet data to RYA) but the number of races per boat sold. Aeros are much more actively raced than Lasers based on the numbers I see serving as plant pots.
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Laser 1, Radial and 4.7 were 1st, 3rd & 20th in order of races returned, Aero 7, 9 & 5 were 8th, 15th and 40th respectively...
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Originally posted by H2

 

I bet that there are more Aero's sailed in the UK than any other class....

I think Laser/ILCA sailors would disagree with you there..... certainly the RYA PY returns stats would agree with over 28,000 races just for the Std rig and near 40,000 for all 3 rigs combined. The Aero by comparison makes around 8,500 for all 3 rigs.

That is before you consider that many clubs have Laser fleets which wont be included in the PY return stats.
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Originally posted by iGRF

Originally posted by H2


if that is not a million miles away!


Well no, but to put some perspective it would be quicker for me to get to Antwerp.

Maybe - but you will not have to self isolate after a H2 demo for two weeks!
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Originally posted by ian.r.mcdonald

Back in the day of 9 or 10 popular national coverage classes and Nationals of 100+, the best sailors won races, and the rest of us didn't.

Whilst I can see the advantage of having a myriad of classes and the option of being able to blame your position on incorrect boat purchase choice ( and the dreaded PY commitee), I own up to wishing the " old fashioned" option was still available.

Although I suppose by sailing a wooden Osprey and Solo- the choice is still there.

Ian, its possible that it is me having a brain haemorrhage, but how does this have anything to do with the Aero 9 or other things raised in this post? Or you just fancied flying the flag for a return to the "good old days?"

I bet that there are more Aero's sailed in the UK than any other class......so assume you are going to sell or burn your wooden things and buy an Aero so you can join in - right? Tongue
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