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Rupert
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Topic: Ovington Laser Posted: 04 Oct 20 at 8:31am |
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The Laser circuit is another matter entirely, and I'd expect at National level for this to be policed, just as it would be for any other class with licenced builders. I'm more thinking of clubs where replica sails will be discouraged, at least at the top end of the fleet. I wonder how many, if a member turned up with a brand new Laser, would be told, sorry, you can't race that here against our ILCA fleet. Most (all?) of which would be LPE Lasers. |
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423zero
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 04 Oct 20 at 9:43am | |
Wonder which one will get the experimental number? One of them is a new boat.
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NicolaJayne
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 04 Oct 20 at 10:11am | |
durability in both cases ali topmasts bent easily and the cross cut full sail was made of bog paper |
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Rupert
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 04 Oct 20 at 10:15am | |
Both these things should lead to an increase in average boat speed over a number of years as fewer bent topmast and more longer lasting sails are used in club handicap racing. I suspect there are bigger variables, though, with weather and crew skill. |
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423zero
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 04 Oct 20 at 5:16pm | |
Can't see ILCA outselling Laser, nearly £3,000 dearer.
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Robert
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Late starter
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 04 Oct 20 at 5:55pm | |
On the one hand that feels like a lot of difference, but one could also ask why LPE weren't selling new Lasers for £3.5k before the ILCA rocked up ? Feels a bit like Mr R could be trying to stop the ILCA in its tracks by some classic anti-competitive discounting.
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GarethT
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 04 Oct 20 at 6:52pm | |
I guess the market for LPE probably depends on how much centres expect to sell their boats on for. They usually move them on regularly and they get tarted up and sold on as nearly new boats. If the discount from lpe compensates for the loss of sell on they'll keep buying.
Knock on impact may be that the supply of nearly new ILCA tightens up a bit. |
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423zero
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 04 Oct 20 at 7:09pm | |
Private buyers who only handicap race won't pay ILCA money, people at clubs with ILCA/Laser fleets are only buyers I can see.
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Robert
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Cirrus
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 04 Oct 20 at 7:21pm | |
Why so expensive anyway ? Polyester,
single skin, minimal labour cost input, simple extruded alloy tube spars, and
sails that are really low cost to made. Nothing wrong with any of that btw
- if the price reflects it. For 95%+ of the sailing public paying more than a very token premium for a 'legitimate' product is simply not going to hack it. Where does the premium go and what 'extra value' is really worth that difference. Of course if you are equipping a squadie then bank of mum&dad may help bridge the gap .. but regular 'Joe public'? – ie the people who sail not every week, rarely away from their home club but do maybe on holiday once a year ? Clubs have been accepting 'training' sails at local level for years as 'equal', it is not a big step to accept seemingly almost identical hulls etc. ..Not everyone is bothered about official Open circuit racing either and a 'pirate' series could soon emerge almost instantly if it were deemed important. After all if there is any subtle difference between the two it is not likely to be as large as that between say a 1 year old boat and a brand new one anyway !! |
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tink
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 04 Oct 20 at 7:45pm | |
Cirrus, think it comes down to the old adage being selected as an Olympic class is a blessing and a curse.
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