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Originally posted by Rupert

Do I assume that even a club which doesn't allow replica sails would allow a Laser, built by Laser, to race as a Laser, even if the world governing body says only the version named after themselves can be used?

I would assume if they wanted a measurement button on the sails. They would want a world sailing plaque on the hull. Thatís the important bit.

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Originally posted by davidyacht

Looking from the outside in, I am trying to work out why you wouldnít buy a Laser XD with latest sail anD carbon top mast at £ 3,867?  The attraction of Lasers back in the day was that they were cheap and cheerful, and given that knock off sails are accepted by most club fleets, why wouldnít lots of sailors home in on the Laser product ... what justifies the extra £ 3k?

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will you be able to sell it later?
how many clubs will not accept what are now knock-offs (ours won't)
 
most though

who would want to do business with Rastegar who failed to pay Bruce Kirby how many millions in rightful dues? Is that not theft?

we all have to draw our own moral lines, but I would not give R a brass farthing

On the other hand, £7k (cover, trolley etc) for a Laser/ILCA his, as you say, no longer great value. You could run a fab second hand RS100 on the circuit for 2 or 3 years on that, new res every year and all


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Paramedic Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Oct 20 at 7:38am
LPE will loads of them to sailing centres worldwide. The tooling wiped its face decades ago, and the boats no longer need to be built to the tolerance level of the construction manual.

As a major racing class the medium term future of the ILCA is pretty uncertain and I wonder if Ovi are trying to recoup tooling costs asap? I cant see £3k difference even with the carbon (What percentage fibreglass I wonder?) mast section.


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UK boats are ILCA's?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sam.Spoons Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Oct 20 at 9:28am
Originally posted by fab100

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will you be able to sell it later?

Given that you're saved £3k you could sell for much less than a similar 'official Laser', I reckon initial depreciation will be much less (in £'s) than an ILCA/Kirby Torch...
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Originally posted by 423zero

UK boats are ILCA's?

All new 'official Lasers' are now ILCAs 'cos LPE owns the Laser trademark.
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Devoti built ILCAs will soon be available in the UK I am told so more than one builder might increase competition on price a little.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote JimC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Oct 20 at 11:56am
Originally posted by Rupert

Do I assume that even a club which doesn't allow replica sails would allow a Laser, built by Laser, to race as a Laser, even if the world governing body says only the version named after themselves can be used?

If a club doesn't allow replica Laser sails why on earth would they allow replica Laser hulls?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote A2Z Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Oct 20 at 12:47pm
Itís not a replica Laser though, is it?  Itís a genuine Laser, just not an ILCA boat.
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If it doesnít have the WS plate on it itís not a class legal boat, LPE boats donít have this. 
LPE can legally sell you a boat called a Laser in the uk and the USA but that doesnít mean it class legal or you can use it in class evens.
The whole thing is a big mess,  mostly but not totally caused by LPE themselves and the fact all Olympic class have to comply with FRAND .


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