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Post Options Post Options   Quote 423zero Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Oct 20 at 4:19pm
Is that official ? 
ILCA can't even use sail names.

4.  ILCA sails are known as ILCA 7 (Standard), ILCA 5 (Radial) and ILCA 4 (4.7) due to the rights held by the intellectual property owners of the usual names.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sam.Spoons Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Oct 20 at 5:58pm
Who is the intellectual rights holder of the Laser design? We know LPE own the trademark for the Laser name and sail insignia...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote 423zero Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Oct 20 at 6:19pm
Unfortunately for ILCA, LPE own the rights.
EurILCA, voted recently whether to break away from ILCA and UKLA, vote was tied, (some of EurILCA committee members are also members of 'the laser class' TLC).

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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

Who is the intellectual rights holder of the Laser design? We know LPE own the trademark for the Laser name and sail insignia...


Designer Bruce Kirby sold the design rights to Global Sailing, a New Zealand company, which also owns PSA.

All the current ILCA builders pay royalties to Global Sailing
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Grumpycat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Oct 20 at 9:12pm
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Originally posted by sandgrounder

Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

Who is the intellectual rights holder of the Laser design? We know LPE own the trademark for the Laser name and sail insignia...


Designer Bruce Kirby sold the design rights to Global Sailing, a New Zealand company, which also owns PSA.

All the current ILCA builders pay royalties to Global Sailing

I thought that never completed and BKI were the ones who took LP to court?
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Originally posted by jeffers


Originally posted by sandgrounder

Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

Who is the intellectual rights holder of the Laser design? We know LPE own the trademark for the Laser name and sail insignia...


Designer Bruce Kirby sold the design rights to Global Sailing, a New Zealand company, which also owns PSA.

All the current ILCA builders pay royalties to Global Sailing

I thought that never completed and BKI were the ones who took LP to court?


ILCA website, August 25, 2020:-

"In addition to these fees, all builders will continue the ex gratis designer fee of $US50 per hull historically paid to Bruce Kirby Inc. This fee will now be paid to Global Sailing Ltd, which has purchased the assets of Bruce Kirby Inc."


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sam.Spoons Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Oct 20 at 8:41am
So, in theory, Global Sailing Ltd could refuse to let LPE build Lasers? Or refuse to let the ILCA build "the boat formerly known as Laser" should they so desire?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote 423zero Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 Oct 20 at 9:05am
No, LP can't be ordered to pay anything to anyone or told to stop building Lasers, they in fact control Europe and UK, hence ILCA and UKLA have had to change name of boat.
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It's all very complicated. LPE broke contracts which required them to pay royalties. ILCA then changed the class rules so LPE weren't required to honour contracts. That was when ILCA president was Heini Wellman, one of the TLC leaders. There aren't really IP rights to the Laser designs as such, which is why replica sails etc exist. Instead it was all covered by a mesh of overlapping contracts. LPE got sued for breaking contracts and lost big time, but in the meantime LPE were more or less disbanded, and Laser building transferred to LP Llc.

The Laser trademark is currently owned by yet another company in the same sort of ownership, called Velum IIRC so even if the Laser builder(s) go bust, as I should think is inevitable for the lawsuit losing ex builder LPE, the Trademark won't be available.



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