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    Posted: 26 Aug 20 at 3:03pm
My club isn't concerned about being sued, they are concerned about spreading a disease, majority of the members are in the at risk group, younger members who are impatient with this, need to realise 20 to 40 year age group is almost exclusively responsible for spread of the disease, I suppose because they are immune they aren't so concerned, problem is they are taking it to their parents and grandparents.
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Schools are due to reopen next week.  My area has been quite lightly affected so far, but this week 5 pubs and the local golf club have been closed due to an outbreak.  The measures that clubs put in place are not generally to stop them being sued but to, sensibly, reduce the spread.
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Originally posted by fab100

it's a shame our sport, which has, inherently, personal responsibility at its core has been infected too; covid is not half as virulent or, arguably, dangerous.

fear and greed - the ultimate evils.

The only thing Covid has brought home is carpe diem.... if sailing clubs are offering a bit of hope in an otherwise gloomy outlook, embrace for it now.  You'll bound to get a few newbies sticking around for drysuit season.
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Posts: 8956 		Post Options Post Options   Quote Rupert Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Aug 20 at 8:46pm
Had a lovely race tonight, preceeded by a cream tea and followed by chips by the campervan. Very nice it was too.

Before that I'd spent the day running Sailability, where we had 9 boats out for the afternoon, all either singlehanded or sailed by household members. Also had 8 or 9 volunteers down helping, who get as much out of the session as the sailors.

All in all a great day at the club.
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Posts: 3406 		Post Options Post Options   Quote 423zero Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Aug 20 at 9:35pm
Good day for it too, lovely place to sail, very helpful friendly members too, always smile when I think of Whitefriars.
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Originally posted by 423zero

My club isn't concerned about being sued, they are concerned about spreading a disease, majority of the members are in the at risk group, younger members who are impatient with this, need to realise 20 to 40 year age group is almost exclusively responsible for spread of the disease, I suppose because they are immune they aren't so concerned, problem is they are taking it to their parents and grandparents.

I don't think the skew to younger infections is as dramatic as you might think. The tests are skewed to those who are ill with the virus. And for a long time you could only get a test if hospitalised. And because those who are older were more likely to be ill / hospitalised it seemed like the infections were more prevalent in the old. 

As we have fewer older people seriously ill, and yet keep increasing testing, encouraging more from younger groups to get tested and doing more testing of non-symptomatic people then this is going to seem like more young people are getting the virus, whereas the reality could be that more young people are being tested and that only now we're now seeing a less skewed picture of what the demographics of the infected people is.

Secondly, even if cases among the young are going up, then so what? Yes, it's not risk free for the individual, but the personal risk certainly requires no where near the same lifestyle altering precautions are you might see in those who are 60+.  And we're not seeing an increase in death rate, which suggests those who are getting infected are not infecting the vulnerable. 

Of course the papers love to demonise the young. But the fact is, the biggest failing of the vulnerable was when hospitals were discharged en masse circulating the virus between wards, care homes, and nursing homes and the community. This action was taken largely because there was a fear hospitals would be overwhelmed and 'fit and healthy' 50-70 years old's wouldn't get the care they needed. It also lead to many thousands of indirect covid deaths. 

So far the actions of the young in locking down have been completely selfless. For the protection of their elders and to the detriments of their education and careers. For those who who are older it's a far more selfish motivation, made a lot easier in many cases by a decent wedge of the mortgage being paid and a nice pension to look forward to.

Why do your older members see fit to close down the club for the young? No one is forcing the older members to go to the club, why don't they just stay away? It's personal choice? Let the impatient 20-40 year olds get on with enjoying the membership they have paid for. 
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Hayling changing rooms were open for a week or so and now they're closed. 

I don't think they really needed to be 'open' to the membership as I do see it as a big risk area. Reserving them for individuals who really need their use (disability or emergency). 

On the racing front I think we're learnt how to do decent racing with small volunteer numbers. Club line starts at high tide using club marks. Numbers have been up, but I don't think this is because of the new format being 'better', but because the the typical other life events such as weddings, birthdays, holidays and festivals are all on hold. However, I do think the lessons learnt will make club racing more sustainable from a volunteer basis going forward. 

It's also been great to see so many families and young people down the club. There's also a lot more multi-sport activity, with people free to spend more time at the club they're dipping in and out of windsurfing and sup and kayaking dependent on weather. The only 'plan' for the weekend seems to be to go to the club, then once their the activity is moulded around the weather. Previously, people would only come down for one activity, and if the weather wasn't great for that they wouldn't come down at all. I hope this new attitude remains, but I think once other events start up then we'll return to people only showing up with certainty for major events (a class open, or fed week) and the rest of time just sneaking a few hours for their favourite activity when the forecast suits.
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Originally posted by 423zero

My club isn't concerned about being sued, they are concerned about spreading a disease, majority of the members are in the at risk group, younger members who are impatient with this, need to realise 20 to 40 year age group is almost exclusively responsible for spread of the disease, I suppose because they are immune they aren't so concerned, problem is they are taking it to their parents and grandparents.



.......contact with and stimulation from other people is a human need, not a want. Being without it or even being on reduced rations can lead to health problems. The need for contact does diminish as we get older but it never disappears completely. The need for contact with their piers is particularly strong in the young when they are forming and modifying their own identities.

I have a Grand Daughter who is staying with us at the moment, she is a ray of sunshine, a delight to be with. Chatty, humorous, energetic and enthusiastically making plans for the future. She has many friends who she socialises with (sensibly IMO but not as sensibly as some would like no doubt)) and we then listen to tales of the resulting dramas......nothing better.

Seeing her like this V's risk of contracting virus.......no contest.

The need for contact with and stimulation from others has been severely underestimated by most during this pandemic. The impulse to socialise is incredibly strong and the effects of denying the need are quite debilitating.

Edited by Sussex Lad - 27 Aug 20 at 12:18pm
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