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Did I say that _I_  have the new ideas?    Wink
It is good to discuss any that come to light though and be open to them, as opposed to throttle them at birth, which seems to be a tendency here.

Love the thought process from A2Z on RS buying Bewl and effectivel having rental/hire ownership - pay and play scenario. Wont work everywhere but the idea is great.
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Originally posted by 423zero

We have become a 'Yes, No' people, there doesn't appear to be many 'maybe's'.
I can only speak for my own experience with sailing, our sport can be expensive or cheap, I spend more on bikes than sailing, yet non sailors give a sharp intake of breath when I say that I sail, 'must have plenty of money', sailors also carry the stigma of being 'stuck up', I haven't found this either, perhaps I have been lucky in only finding friendly, helpful people ? Public perception of sailing needs to be challenged to increase chance of new people.

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Originally posted by Chris_H

Did I say that _I_  have the new ideas?   

It is good to discuss any that come to light though and be open to them, as opposed to throttle them at birth, which seems to be a tendency here.


Love the thought process from A2Z on RS buying Bewl and effectivel having rental/hire ownership - pay and play scenario. Wont work everywhere but the idea is great.


Bewl Valley SC  went into administration because  it agreed a rent of £160,000 per annum. Add rates at 40% or so.



That's one hell of a lot of boat rentals and sales to make, to cover the costs, from hardly a central location.



I think it's a bit rich telling accusing us all of luddite and closed minding thinking when you seem not to know some core facts. Even arch-mischief iGRF has had the balls to become commodore of his club with a view to making a contribution/difference and he's not the only one on here by a long chalk to have given up time to make their clubs a success.



So forgive me for coming back at you, when I am normally only positive (or trying to make jokes) on here but the 'they ought to do something (different)' condescending sniping is arguably worse than some of the trolling here (if it ain't simply that)

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Originally posted by fab100

Originally posted by Chris_H

Did I say that _I_  have the new ideas?   

It is good to discuss any that come to light though and be open to them, as opposed to throttle them at birth, which seems to be a tendency here.


Love the thought process from A2Z on RS buying Bewl and effectivel having rental/hire ownership - pay and play scenario. Wont work everywhere but the idea is great.


Bewl Valley SC  went into administration because  it agreed a rent of £160,000 per annum. Add rates at 40% or so.


That's one hell of a lot of boat rentals and sales to make, to cover the costs, from hardly a central location.


I think it's a bit rich telling accusing us all of luddite and closed minding thinking when you seem not to know some core facts. Even arch-mischief iGRF has had the balls to become commodore of his club with a view to making a contribution/difference and he's not the only one on here by a long chalk to have given up time to make their clubs a success.


So forgive me for coming back at you, when I am normally only positive (or trying to make jokes) on here but the 'they ought to do something (different)' condescending sniping is arguably worse than some of the trolling here (if it ain't simply that)



Love you too and thankyou for your feedback. Provoking open discussion is my only goal.  Wink
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Folk do tend to become polarised when under stress and folk in this country are stressed, many will deny it of course and then carry on being stressed. Covid, the restrictions and prior/yet to come political crap and disagreements.....it takes it's toll. We all react differently of course, some hide away, some get aggressive.

Personally (and vaguely on topic) Covid is a worry having elderly parents but the reaction and effect of  the restrictions are more of a concern to me, I don't believe they are sustainable. Too many clubs are being overly timid. Plans and methods could be put in place that would make sailing more "Normal".

.....but I suppose Exec Coms  have to listen the majority of the members and if the members want to be overly (IMO) cautious then that's the way it is.

Another issue is that all of the precautions that need to be put in place to free things up require extra work and we all know that people have been less inclined to volunteer in recent years. Perhaps an extra temporary position on the exec com for dealing with all things covid and the management thereof? Every club in the country must have a medical expert with management experience?

Regarding attitudes to the institution:
Yes sailors generally are helpful and welcoming so long as an individual you meet a certain set of criteria. No point going into what those criteria are now, it'll only cause another argument and anyway, those issues have been fruitlessly discussed on here many times before. For sailors from sailing families who have been sailing since childhood it's generally quite easy to fit in. For adult beginners it may not be quite so easy. I'm an adult starter, started about 15yrs ago and my experience has been very mixed. I've met some great people who I hope I could call friends for many years to come, on the other hand there has been some trauma. My prior experience, which has been extremely broad and varied did not prepare me well for the institution of sailing. Take it from me, to someone who still remembers being a non sailor the institution of sailing appears at times to have an extremely rarefied atmosphere.

These observations are all general and of course there are exceptions but I believe they apply to a large number of adult starters.  




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Originally posted by Chris_H

Did I say that _I_  have the new ideas?    Wink
It is good to discuss any that come to light though and be open to them, as opposed to throttle them at birth, which seems to be a tendency here.

Love the thought process from A2Z on RS buying Bewl and effectivel having rental/hire ownership - pay and play scenario. Wont work everywhere but the idea is great.

Chris - I have in the past been a bit of a dick on here to stir things up and try and get people to think differently but even by my measure you really are being a dick. Grab a seat before you make more enemies!
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And we wonder why this forum attracts so few posters..... NicolaJayne was right ....
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Originally posted by Chris_H

And we wonder why this forum attracts so few posters..... NicolaJayne was right ....

Male, pale and stale? Be careful Chris, I think you are older than me!  Tongue
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Originally posted by Chris_H

And we wonder why this forum attracts so few posters..... NicolaJayne was right ....

Male, pale and stale? Be careful Chris, I think you are older than me!  Tongue

But I am definitely not stale...
Anyway. I shall leave this thread, but not the site, before it becomes personal 😉
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"Too many clubs are being overly timid"


Sign of the times and an inevitable consequence of allowing lawyers to work on contingency fees, encouraging ambulance chasing in every aspect of life. Everything that goes wrong has to be somebody's fault nowadays, not just Murphy's Law, sh1t happens (or you weren't looking where you were going).


It's a shame our sport, which has, inherently, personal responsibility at its core has been infected too; covid is not half as virulent or, arguably, dangerous.



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