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    Posted: 19 Aug 20 at 3:00pm
Originally posted by sargesail

They sold a huge number into China a couple of years ago. Not just the worlds fleet but lots of big Centres


That's why all the boats are red!
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They sold a huge number into China a couple of years ago. Not just the worlds fleet but lots of big Centres
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Still big, big fleets. But it might say more about how well boats are selling in general. Or the up to dateness of the website.
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Topper website saying it is best selling sailboat in the world, I thought they had died off.
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Anyone who picks the colour of their Topper based on reducing the chances of being found OCS is sad indeed.

Pick red because you like it, pick red because itís all thatís available, pick red because it complements your hair, but donít pick red to be a sheep.

Besides, itís not like Topper ever offered an infinite range of colours - if they offered three sail colours itís reasonable to assume that each would sell enough to allow identification through sail colour alone to be unreliable.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote sargesail Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Aug 20 at 10:50am
TY polc - youíve set that out well.
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No. I don't think that's what's going on. It's not people wanting an invisibility cloak so they can cheat.

It's that people, rightly or wrongly, think a more noticeable boat may be singled out.

20 boats on a start line. 5 are OCS. If all are identical and the PRO can't identify them he either ignores it or gen recalls. A gen recall is not unfair / unsportsmanlike. (If he ignores it, that's unfair on the 15, but isn't the 5 sailors fault)

If there is a blue a yellow and a pink with a funny sail he can identify those. If the other two are reds and ahead of them he presumably will gen recall. On a black flag the yellow, blue etc may get punished. They may not even have been over on "go" but get punished. The two reds might get away with it. **That** is unfair.

If the two reds were behind them, i.e. barely over the line, wouldn't be the first time a PRO has decided to ignore them. Still unfair. And only possible because the three "different" boats were identifiable.

There is no circumstance on the start line where being identifiable is helpful.

Being yellow may be helpful or unhelpful in a protest. If you say "123456" hit a mark and didn't do turns. If you think 123456 is red but is yellow, your case is dismissed. It may be more likely that a witness will remember seeing the yellow boat do his turns. If there are only two yellow boats and the other guy says he never did turns, your witness is sound. But, there may be more chance of being protested because when they get ashore someone can work out which boat infringed because it was yellow...

Once the top end guys decide to (a) buy red to blend in (b) buy red if it's cheaper (c) invest that money in performance - red gets a reputation for speed. Coloured boats become older, more knackered, sailed by less able sailors... Perpetuating the story.

It's not people trying to cheat, it's people trying to be treated equally...

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I think that some of the responses here demonstrate that a win at all costs attitude is alive and well at all levels of the dinghy sailing community. So much for sportsmanship  LOL

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I have always had boats which blend in on the startline to avoid being called out as over the line


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Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by sargesail

Sorry to single your post out Jim, but itís the easiest to illustrate that wanting to be anonymous is not about cheating.


We shall have to agree to disagree. Although I didn't say cheating, I said morally dubious.


You quoted cheating!

Personally I can not see that it is morally dubious to minimise the chance of being singled out from a group of miscreants by not choosing to have a different hull colour.
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