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Posts: 1285 		Post Options Post Options   Quote davidyacht Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Aug 20 at 6:07pm
Particularly grumpy this morning ... apologies.

However I would not have considered that they were part way through a series which starts on 23rd July 2021, the new rules come into effect on 1st January, 2021 ... I would guess that it would be more confusing to Olympic sailors if they had to revert back to the present rules after seven months of applying the 2021 rules in whatever other events they have attended.  Anyway as Brass points out the changes are apparently minor.
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Originally posted by davidyacht

What a load of tosh ... the rules are for all sailors not just Olympians and if World Sailing see that improvements are required, presumably to shut down unintended loopholes then why should the Olympians not benefit ... its not rocket science to check up on any changes and apply them, which I shall have to do in next years Commissioning Race ... no doubt assisted by the latest version of the Rules in Practice.

Blimey David no need to be quite so aggressive  LOL

Does the reverse not also apply? If you're 3/4 of the way through a series would you be happy if the rules changed? To be honest I've no overly strong feelings either way but to me it doesn't seem fair or makes to sense to change the rules before a cycle has completed.

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Originally posted by JimC

I think really they'd need to be using the old rules for all the build up events too, be awfully complicated.

The trouble is they've done all the built ups to the games over the last four years under a set of rules. It doesn't really seem fair to change them for the event itself. They and their coaches have picked them to death and in the ultimate competition they're different - seems wrong to me.

Why not just suspend the adoption of the new rules for 12 months? Its not as if there's loads of competitive racing going on and - unfortunately - you have to ask how much this will change in the next weeks/months given what's going on.
What a load of tosh ... the rules are for all sailors not just Olympians and if World Sailing see that improvements are required, presumably to shut down unintended loopholes then why should the Olympians not benefit ... its not rocket science to check up on any changes and apply them, which I shall have to do in next years Commissioning Race ... no doubt assisted by the latest version of the Rules in Practice.
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Originally posted by JimC

I think really they'd need to be using the old rules for all the build up events too, be awfully complicated.

The trouble is they've done all the built ups to the games over the last four years under a set of rules. It doesn't really seem fair to change them for the event itself. They and their coaches have picked them to death and in the ultimate competition they're different - seems wrong to me.

Why not just suspend the adoption of the new rules for 12 months? Its not as if there's loads of competitive racing going on and - unfortunately - you have to ask how much this will change in the next weeks/months given what's going on.
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Originally posted by davidyacht


Originally posted by JimC

I think really they'd need to be using the old rules for all the build up events too, be awfully complicated.


Why ... surely if mere mortals like us will make the adjustment when we race next year, surely the gods of sailing are capable of making the necessary adjustments ... or did I miss irony  Wink


I think this discussion about implementation timing isn't very useful, but it takes about 18 months for the Team Racers and Match Racers to spot potential for exploitation in new rules and for these new 'moves' to work their way up and be tested out at high level events.
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Originally posted by JimC

I think really they'd need to be using the old rules for all the build up events too, be awfully complicated.

Why ... surely if mere mortals like us will make the adjustment when we race next year, surely the gods of sailing are capable of making the necessary adjustments ... or did I miss irony  Wink
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I think really they'd need to be using the old rules for all the build up events too, be awfully complicated.
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They could I suppose use the old rules for the rescheduled games. 
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Timing of Change

As John B says, given that changes in When Boats Meet part 2 rules are almost negligible, I guess WS thought that sticking to the four year cycle, which will get back in sync for the 2024 Olympics, was preferable.

Infringement

Infringement was removed from the RRS in the 1995 re-write, presumably because it is a long complicated wishy-washy euphemism.
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Cheers Brass. Yes, I haven't got round to reading the full rule book yet but the changes do seem slight on the whole. I don't plan to include changes related to race management just because the post is meant for sailors who don't want to have to read the book with a fine tooth comb to find what's relevant to them.

I had thought I had updated the article with the note on Rule 43 which I hadn't got to at the time of writing. However, the article seemed not to update. Hopefully it has now.

On your point about the forum, I posted it on here because I didn't know there was a rules forum. I may post it on there later.

Thanks for the notes on my main 3 points. 

Also, you seem to be correct on the use of the word 'infringe' since it's not in the RRS. Do you know why that is? It seems correct from a grammatical point of view since the two words appear relatively synonymous. 
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