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    Posted: 20 Jul 20 at 5:05pm
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4230: "Not sure about this, doesn't the Squib fill up and sink?"

They don't. Squib is the Andrex Puppy of the sailing world. Serious respect.
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Originally posted by Rupert

Either Gull or Wanderer, I'd say. At our Sailability group we use a Wayfarer where we have used a smaller sail (still pulled to the top) and raise the boom by about a foot. It gives plenty of headroom and still leaves plenty of sail area. One Wanderer this would also work, and a quick experiment with borrowed sails would show what would be the right size. I'd start with a Fìrefly sail and go from there till one looks right.

The Gull might end up with too little sail to do this maybe?

Rupert out of interest how do you raise the boom on the Wayfarer to accommodate the sail being pulled to the top please?
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Originally posted by polc1410

Worth looking at Heron as well as Gull. I've seen more fibre glass ones than Gulls. The modern FRP has a false bottom so brings up very little water.

I'd be tempted to look at replacing the kicker with a strut (out of class)

If capsize recover is a concern look at mast head floatation choices. If it's genuinely going to be very rare... secumar do a CO2 version which is pricey and obviously costs if you deploy it. Various other versions exist or just a empty bottle.

And if climbing back in is a concern work on a plan with a looped rope.



sorry to ask late but is the stability of a Heron similar to a Gull? also do you know if it has seats inside please?
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Originally posted by SueW

Rupert out of interest how do you raise the boom on the Wayfarer to accommodate the sail being pulled to the top please?

On some masts you can slide the gooseneck up and down.

Originally posted by SueW

sorry to ask late but is the stability of a Heron similar to a Gull? also do you know if it has seats inside please?

Probably more stable and yes, but the downside is that the Heron is a 1950 design and the Gull 1956, and a lot of progress was made over that period. I've sailed both a fair bit and personally greatly prefer the Gull.
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Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by SueW

Rupert out of interest how do you raise the boom on the Wayfarer to accommodate the sail being pulled to the top please?

On some masts you can slide the gooseneck up and down.

Originally posted by SueW

sorry to ask late but is the stability of a Heron similar to a Gull? also do you know if it has seats inside please?

Probably more stable and yes, but the downside is that the Heron is a 1950 design and the Gull 1956, and a lot of progress was made over that period. I've sailed both a fair bit and personally greatly prefer the Gull.
Ah I don’t think the gooseneck can move on our club Wayfarers and thank you about the Gull/Heron 
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We ended up fitting a higher gooseneck as we never use a full size sail. A sliding gooseneck would be easy to fit, though, they just have a wing nut to tighten them in place.
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Sailed the Heron a few times, never really thought that much of it. Like a small GP14. Somehow the Mirror seems like a better boat for the size, with loads more space because of the bow transom and open deck layout. Better than the Gull in my view too, but maybe not for your purposes.
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I have sailed my Mirror 2 handed, crew and helm, both adults.
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Heron - more stable than a Gul

Has seats in board

Has enough deck to sit on to hike if desired (unlike a mirror which digs into your legs)

Light enough to pull back up a slip single handed.

Modern FRPs rarely come up second hand though...
Modern ones very well designed in terms of layout etc

Can have under deck storage if desired.

It's a small GP (that's how it was designed) and a pointy mirror (the mirror was an easier build).

You want a bermuden rigged one, a d definitely not 100% Genoa

In 15 years - accidentally capsized once and have no idea what I did - was between races just reaching and bang.. have raced hard - water over the gunwales etc dump the sail and she sits back up. Sailed with 3 year old kid and adults.

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