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    Posted: 14 Jul 20 at 12:48am
Hi, I am looking for a boat for myself and my daughter to sail together. My daughter has special needs and has limited flexibility in her spine as well as being tall (5ft 10 & still growing) So gett under the boom is a challenge.  Despite a mild learning disability she passed the RYA stage 1 last year and is keen to continue. Our favourite choice is a Gull as it has seats (daughter needs some back support), stable and could be rowed. 

We know less about the Graduate but wondered how that compares to the gull stability wise? Another choice might be a Wanderer but they are heavy and having seen one capsized last year, that part isnít fun although the Hartley boats claim to have cured that. 

Also an Enterprise seems a possibility although it might be too tippy. I accept we might capsize at some point but as daughter doesnít swim well (can keep afloat in Buoyancy aid) it is an outsider as a choice. 

If I went crazy and bought a newish a Gull do you think they retain their value reasonably?

Sorry for the long one and to mention I normally sail a Lightning 368. 
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Enterprise difficult to empty after a capsize, your race is pretty much over.
Graduate deep cockpit, never capsized one though.
GP very stable but they are heavy.
Quest is a good boat, but again heavy.
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I think you might find the Ent too tippy and the Graduate, whilst nice to sail, is pretty cramped for the crew. The Gull would be a fine choice I think, or a Miracle (nice seats) or a Laser 2000 (very stable and roomy but difficult to right if capsized).
Iím sure the Hartley ones are well made, and itís quite a niche boat, so no reason it shouldnít hold value.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote SueW Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Jul 20 at 9:22am
Thank you for answers at least I can rule out an Enterprise. I have been looking for a Miracle too but again barely any for sale and I am looking for a GRP boat if possible. 
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Either Gull or Wanderer, I'd say. At our Sailability group we use a Wayfarer where we have used a smaller sail (still pulled to the top) and raise the boom by about a foot. It gives plenty of headroom and still leaves plenty of sail area. One Wanderer this would also work, and a quick experiment with borrowed sails would show what would be the right size. I'd start with a Fžrefly sail and go from there till one looks right.

The Gull might end up with too little sail to do this maybe?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Do Different Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Jul 20 at 10:47am
Just to throw in about a Wanderer.

I was only talking to somebody on Sunday who had bought one for single handed touring. It had a steel centre board, I never knew they had that option but it appears they do. Looked ideal for his purpose and well setup with a multi sheave block to raise and a hold down cleat to prevent it falling back into the boat in the extremely unlikely event of capsize & inversion. The main also had a pocket at the top to hold a discrete mast head inflatable bladder.

Admittedly it would be a heavyish setup but dependant on your launch and recovery sites may or may not be a problem. 

The bloke was properly experienced with a range of boats, some quite lively and his initial feelings about this latest purchase were very positive. 
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Only ever seen one wanderer, looked a decent boat, you could probably get any centre board 'laser' cut by a local engineers, would put it out of class, but if you aren't racing it doesn't matter.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote SueW Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Jul 20 at 12:23pm
Thank you our club already uses Wayfarers with Firefly sails for training in strong winds but I hadnít thought of that for my daughter and I in normal wind. If only Wayfarers werenít so heavy. 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote SueW Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Jul 20 at 12:27pm
Interesting about the Wanderer and a steel centre board but probably too heavy. The new Hartley Wanderers look great but too expensive for me. Itís a shame the older ones are so difficult to right and then empty out the water or I would go for one as there are some up for sail unlike the Gulls. 
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I taught my kids to sail in an Ent with Firefly sails (blagged off a Firefly sailor mate). Depending what your daughter did her level 1 an Ent may or may not be too tippy* for her but it should be easy enough to get a trial sail in one. 

* I wouldn't have expected it to be tippier than a Gull or Grad


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