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    Posted: 13 Jul 20 at 1:34pm
following the demise of sailing theme; post lockdown, any of you guys actually still club racing properly or have the inmates finally taken over the asylum and it's all spreadsheets and adjusted PY chitter-chatter? 
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No club racing, Saturday second week club open, first week only 3 boats.
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Been handicap racing for 28 years at club level since I left Restronguet. Means I can sail boats I like.
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We start Tomorrow and have split our fleets in to separate evenings to reduce people around at any one time and at the weekends one start 12 and one at 3pm to again help with distancing.
We at LOSSC have 24 Rs400 so lets hope they don't all turn up at once for now, but would be great in the future.
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The world has changed and not just in the last few months.  Club dinghy racing IS about handicap these days but with individual classes still enjoying their own battles within.  This is nothing new imo and is not a threat to fleet racing at all  ..... where it counts at Open and Championship level.  The paradigm today is that club racing is where you practice and have club based fun and rivalries  in mixed handicap fleets - AND you then get out and strut your stuff on the open one class platform several times each season .. including at Chmpionship level.

It is much better than simply lining up with the same old lags (often in the same boring order at the finish) in a possibly diminished twilight single class fleet every week locally.  And this change has been decades in the making and is nothing to be particularly worried about.    I can hark back with the best of them to fleet racing in the 70's if I want as well (!) .. usually at bar-side before the bloody virus interupted normality.  However that is just boring for me as much as any trappped (and bored) listener.   But it does not rewind the clock and never did ... remember there is still absolutely nothing stopping any booming class locally getting their 'own' start today.  But if they cannot sustain the numbers at least 90% of the time it is just hollow and conversally a poor advert for any class involved.  Enjoy club racing for what it is today - but still chase after the purist one-class stuff a few times each year if you want.  That is where you find the best competition anyway surely ? 



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I agree with Cirrus on this one - some series at our club are sailing in fleets, everyone knows who will finish in what order and no one ever seems to improve. Very few boats show up. Some series are raced as one big fleet and its not surprising to me that these are the events where we see 20+ boats most weekends.
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just handicaps. We were doing more class only stuff earlier in lockdown.

Still, had a 78 boat handicap race down the further reaches of the harbour on Saturday was great. There were 3 other 800s to race directly against. 

Luckily I pay little attention to handicap results, otherwise it would have been quite a  demoralising experience. I find it's much better to just believe I sailed the best out of everyone and chalk up any results that say otherwise as a glitch in matrix  LOL
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We one design race Solos ... we have over 50 boats on the register and typically get 10-20 boats out every weekend ... we had 15 out last Saturday.  We set up a WhatsApp group at the beginning of COVID and quite a few have organised up to 6 boat rabbit start racing, which has presented an opportunity for self improvement.  

The essence of our racing is to be completely open with the fleet with advice and encouragement ... whilst the same group of people float to the top, the podium places cannot be predicted and there are tight battles throughout the fleet.

The Solos as a class are very open on coaching and tuning, and we as a club encourage visiting coaches and organise home training sessions.

It is the best club racing that I have experienced in a forty five year sailing career.

We might be lucky or it might have something to do with fighting to keep our own starts and not becoming a handicap fleet.

The most likely reason why this might come to an end is our aging membership, though I suspect that most of us will carry on until we cannot physically go sailing.
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The Class I race also has boats in Holland and Germany.

Speaking to the Dutch (who probably have more active boats than the UK) they do not have anything which equates directly to our weekly Club racing. They seem to have facilities closer to sports clubs where they sail and practise more or less on their own. Somewhat like the model described by Cirrus, coming together at race meetings a few times through the season.

I quite like it and by default of being billy-no-mates at my present club find that I am pretty immune to PY argy bargy. At the European meetings we've attended we mostly manage to make mid fleet and on a good week might nudge just little higher.  
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I am with cirrus on the this. Class racing has been on the decline for decades. I have been sailing since the mid 80s at a total of four clubs . At all of these clubs the core series have always pursuit races with the odd handicap race’s thrown in for variety. That not to say sometime class results were extrapolated from out of the overall results . The only , separate start, class racing I have ever done has been at opens and nationals. I am to only one never to has class raced at a club ?

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