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Rupert
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Topic: Proper Course FAQs Posted: 01 Jul 20 at 6:49am |
And spoil the game. All games have rules. Monopoly would cause fewer household rifts if you could wander round the board staying where you like for free, but it would be a tedious way of spending a Sunday afternoon. Surely, when teaching rules to those starting racing a picture is worth a thousand words, and playing with toy boats or cardboard cutouts, 10000. What we are trying to put into more simple words can't be, really, the rules as written aren't very wordy, even if the situations can be complex. Visually, they become very clear. |
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davidyacht
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 01 Jul 20 at 7:32am |
Bring it back
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Happily living in the past
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Rupert
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 01 Jul 20 at 7:38am |
If people think the 3 boat length rule is hard to judge, mast abeam was impossible! 2 different angles with 2 different wishes was always going to create 2 very different opinions, with no reliable witnesses.
I was sad when it went, but can't imagine it returning. |
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423zero
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 01 Jul 20 at 7:08pm |
Three rules could cover it,
1/ One way round. 2/ No bumping. 3/ Give way. |
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Robert
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Rupert
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 01 Jul 20 at 8:16pm |
Again, just taking away the tactics.
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johnbrooker
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 01 Jul 20 at 8:28pm |
Thanks Jim, didn't know that. Is it actually wrong to use the term 'luffing rights' though since the title should have the terminology in it that people would search for. Otherwise no one will see it!
It seems to adequately describe what you are allowed to do when luffing. It's not saying there is a right to luff necessarily- rather it's saying which rights you have should you decide to luff. And thanks for your re-wording suggestion. I think it's a little mind-boggling for an amateur sailor but that may be the only way to word it 100% correctly. |
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423zero
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 01 Jul 20 at 9:15pm |
A bit like Golf, if you are a bit slow you ask them if they want to play through
Rule 4/ politeness at all times |
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Robert
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Sam.Spoons
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 01 Jul 20 at 9:39pm |
The only way to word the rules correctly is the way the rules are worded themselves. The problem is that the rules have evolved over many years* and each evolution has been intended to reduce ambiguity. This has usually led to more complexity (the big rewrite a few years ago which was a deliberate effort to simplify the rules). But, as the rewrite demonstrated, simplifying the wording just reintroduces some of the ambiguity. The RRS committee did a pretty decent job but since then the 'new rules' have been refined and 'tweaked' to reduce the possibility for misunderstanding (at least amongst 'serious' racing sailors) and IMHO any effort to rephrase them in 'plain language' is going to reduce their precision and lead to new ambiguities. * I started racing in 1965 and, apart from a few years between '73 and '80 when I courted, married and started a family, i have raced regularly since so I've experienced many of the rule changes first hand.
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Sam.Spoons
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 01 Jul 20 at 9:49pm |
That's more or less how I race at club level, I want to be able to have a chat in the bar afterwords without any bad feeling. Elvstrom himself said something alongs the lines of “You haven’t won the race, if in winning the race you have lost the respect of your competitors”. It is a good thing to remember, especially at club and local open level.
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JimC
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 01 Jul 20 at 10:01pm |
I would say it is wrong, or at least inadvisable to use the term luffing rights, since this is a concept from the pre 1996 rewrite days when there were specific rules about the right to luff. There are no longer any such rules, so using the term suggests, amongst other things, that the person using it hasn't read a rule book since 1995!
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