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johnbrooker
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Topic: Proper Course FAQs Posted: 10 Jun 20 at 5:31pm |
Thanks all, I'll give those a look
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Riv
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 10 Jun 20 at 6:59pm |
What I want is a decision making flow chart for each situation. Makes the reasoning obvious.
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johnbrooker
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 10 Jun 20 at 7:27pm |
Thanks Riv, good idea. We definitely need tools like this to aid rule understanding. I'll seriously consider putting one together.
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jeffers
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 29 Jun 20 at 7:14pm |
You probably want to remove any reference to 'overtaking' as this is not part of the RRS, it is 'overlap established from astern'.
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johnbrooker
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 29 Jun 20 at 7:26pm |
You're right Paul. However, to all intents and purposes it is overtaking. Unfortunately there isn't really a verb form of 'overlap established from astern'. My focus is on making the rules understandable and unless there is something damaging about my use of the word overtaking, it's probably the best word. I'm open to being convinced otherwise though
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Sam.Spoons
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 29 Jun 20 at 7:43pm |
'Overtaking' requires the boat to continue to 'overtake', if they slow down until they are either only keeping station or are falling astern* they will no longer be 'overtaking' but will still have 'established their overlap from astern'.
* A pretty likely situation for an overlap to leeward. Edited by Sam.Spoons - 29 Jun 20 at 7:44pm |
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johnbrooker
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 29 Jun 20 at 8:40pm |
True Sam true. But to create an overlap one of the boats must be overtaking (at least initially) so you can still kinda see one as the overtaking boat even if they slow down or don't complete their overtaking. There isn't too much ambiguity in using the word as we all know which one we are talking about when we say 'overtaking boat'. But from a preciseness point of view you are dead right. I may change it. I'll just have to find words that fit the sentence without making it feel convoluted.
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JimC
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 29 Jun 20 at 8:50pm |
I submit that if you start using phrases and concepts that don't exist in the rules the end result will be more confusion rather than less.
More even, if you start using a phrase that is already widely misused and already creates confusion then you are almost guaranteed to make things worse. Edited by JimC - 30 Jun 20 at 12:12pm |
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Rupert
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 29 Jun 20 at 9:14pm |
Given that many of the basics of the rules are based on IRPCS, but the overtaking boat rule was taken out because it caused clashes with other rules, putting it back in seems like a bad idea to me. Especially as it trumps even port/starboard in colregs.
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Sam.Spoons
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 29 Jun 20 at 10:12pm |
I'm with JimC and Rupert here, the reason the rule refers to an 'overlap established from astern' is precisely to avoid imprecision and consequent misunderstanding of it's meaning.
Edited by Sam.Spoons - 29 Jun 20 at 10:19pm |
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