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The Vago is pretty much my least favorite boat. Heavy rotomoulded but an unstable hull form and a heavy mast. Falls over if left alone, and per minute if sailing probably the most rescued boat at our club.

Take a look at some of the older designs. We had a couple of albacore sailing singlehanded a few years ago, which worked well in lighter winds, and room for your crew.

In stronger winds, I can't see any boat working in singlehanded mode with space for a large crew.
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It is interesting other than the Mirror and Miracle I canít think of any boats with the two mast step options for double and single handed. The Enterprise has the option of the cruising main and new boats like Vago and Vision reef. 

Nothing wrong in buying any dinghy and cutting down the main for single handed days, roller furling jib are also useful when you single handed and it turns fruity. 
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Thanks guys! So much to research...
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Originally posted by tink

It is interesting other than the Mirror and Miracle I canít think of any boats with the two mast step options for double and single handed. The Enterprise has the option of the cruising main and new boats like Vago and Vision reef. 

Nothing wrong in buying any dinghy and cutting down the main for single handed days, roller furling jib are also useful when you single handed and it turns fruity. 

Formula 16 cats about as close as I can think, looks great single handed but I suspect quite a light double crew
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I taught my kids to sail in an Enterprise* with a Firefly rig, and they first soloed with a Firefly main and the CB raked back. It worked very well and the Ent is a lovely, well mannered boat in most conditions. OTOH, with a full rig it's a handful for a solo 75kg sailor but not too exciting with 160kg on board if it's not blowing a bit, a compromise. I'd think something with a kite for two up sailing and a reduced rig for single handing is the most successful option (the Spice with a L2k mainsail was a reasonable compromise)
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I love the look of it, but not so much the price :-(
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Enterprise, plenty about and cheap, sailed mine solo loads of times, even up to thinking I had made a mistake.
Probably half the weight of most 2 handed rotomoulded boats, like I said just so cheap you won't be worried about bashing it.
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Not sure if it helps at all, but this classic singlehander should be able to carry a relatively heavy additional person person better than other singlehanders:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O-Jolle
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Originally posted by Rupert

The Vago is pretty much my least favorite boat. Heavy rotomoulded but an unstable hull form and a heavy mast. Falls over if left alone, and per minute if sailing probably the most rescued boat at our club.

Take a look at some of the older designs. We had a couple of albacore sailing singlehanded a few years ago, which worked well in lighter winds, and room for your crew.

In stronger winds, I can't see any boat working in singlehanded mode with space for a large crew.

I used to singlehand my Albacore and they can certainly take the weight of heavier crew as well. A very versatile boat, but a purposely designed singlehander is always going to be better at singlehanding.
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Originally posted by Neptune

Originally posted by tink

It is interesting other than the Mirror and Miracle I canít think of any boats with the two mast step options for double and single handed. The Enterprise has the option of the cruising main and new boats like Vago and Vision reef. 

Nothing wrong in buying any dinghy and cutting down the main for single handed days, roller furling jib are also useful when you single handed and it turns fruity. 

Formula 16 cats about as close as I can think, looks great single handed but I suspect quite a light double crew

Yep, that's about it for fast occasional boats that are helm + 1 optional. Or the Weta.




Edit: a Spitfire Cat might be a good shout if Solent. Weston has a few. https://spitfiresailing.org.uk


Edited by Jack Sparrow - 12 Jun 20 at 4:04pm
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