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423zero
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Topic: Is Racing Allowed? Posted: 03 Jun 20 at 9:08pm |
Welcome Windermere, trying to work out your post? Gone over my head
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davidyacht
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 03 Jun 20 at 9:17pm |
I am a racer, never miss an opportunity to race. However I have no intention of getting angry or abusive as seems to be happening here and elsewhere in order to push to go racing. I can wait.
My earlier post highlights the fuzzy line of what is considered to be acceptable and unacceptable, and the difficulty of trying to interpret “guidelines” rather than rules ... and frankly not brilliant or specific guidance from our national authority.
On Sunday I sailed my Solo and a buddy in another and had a fantastic sail around the creeks for a couple of hours, with lots of planing reaches, came ashore just as satisfied as if I had been fleet racing. I have huge sympathy for any corporate body, whether they are sailing clubs or the RNLI, who have to work through an unprecedented amount of paperwork to safeguard their members and employees under the scrutiny of social media. |
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zeon
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 03 Jun 20 at 9:54pm |
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 03 Jun 20 at 10:04pm |
Please don’t tell me what you think I think. I’m not saying racing is unsafe, I am saying it is clearly less safe. If the govt say that groups of 6 is where they currently draw the line before they consider the risks too high, then I think you should respect that and not try to argue that it shouldn’t apply to your situation. If you have 50 boats on the startline at 11am you had 50 pairs of hands on the gate padlock if nothing else. Do you seriously believe every single person sanitises or wears gloves every single time before and after they do that?
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zeon
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 03 Jun 20 at 10:10pm |
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 03 Jun 20 at 10:15pm |
Zeon:
Also let’s look at risk using these 10 000 staff you mentioned. The risk those people are taking in spreading the virus byjust by going to work in offices and factories is many times greater than the risk factor of all dinghy sailors sailing at one time even with out social distancing rules being put in place. That’s with out even thinking about adding the risk supermarket shopping.
A. That is why those that can work from home should do so. B. The risks are additive. Two wrongs don’t make a right, so careless practise at work doesn’t excuse careless practise at your club. In fact it makes it worse. Let’s not forget there are still over 1000 people a day catching it. Most of them probably thought they were taking suitable precautions or were at low risk.
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 03 Jun 20 at 10:32pm |
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Mozzy
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 03 Jun 20 at 10:52pm |
I think the amount of boats should be limited by what the site can handle with regard to the 2m advice and the Covid Secure guidance. Whether the people on site are there to race or not makes little difference to covid risk as long as social distancing is managed.
We did informal racing with 7 or 8 boats a week ago, and 3/4 this weekend. It hadn't occurred to me that boats on the water at the same time would be a 'gathering'. What degree of organisation has to be present to make it a gathering? For example, 1) 7 sailors turn up to a public slip, by pure coincidence, and sail on the same piece of water. None have met before. 2) A club posts opening times and then 7 sailors turn up when it opens and sail at the same time 3) A club is open, then 7 sailors turn up. They didn't know who would be there before arriving, but once there agree to watch out for each other and sail in the same part of the harbour for safety 4) 7 sailors message to say they will be sailing on Sunday and what time, to look out for each other. 5) A club assess it's site can cope with 7 sailors at any one time, so do a rota so people can pre-book. 7 sailors are at the club together. 6) 7 sailors message before hand with a course and a rough time. They compare 'time trial' time around the course after 7) 7 sailors message before with a course and rough time and run rabbit starts All scenarios have the same number of sailors using the same space at the same time. Are all illegal? Are all legal? Where is the risk difference between any scenario? Where is legal boundary of gathering passed, if at all? Anyway, it will probably all change before we get a handle on it.
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423zero
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 04 Jun 20 at 6:26am |
I can't see a problem if one hundred boats are on the water, class water has a public park, issue comes when people look for loop holes to allow racing.
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zeon
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