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Some clubs with a single ramp and a 'tight' dinghy park and other pinch points may have a real problem with  a very modest number indeed at peak times - and even very possibly less than 6 at times without a lot of care by all participants.  Other locations are however very open and it would be possible for much larger numbers of users to keep separation distances well above say 10m !   On the water there should be no good reason to get anywhere near less than 2m, even if  informally 'racing'  so all we are talking about here relates to 'dry land'.  Those who are effectively hopeless or bloody minded at keeping their distance are quickly obvious to the significant majority who do act with sense.  They are obvious wherever they are, when shopping, walking .. and yes even at sailing clubs.  Everybody by now should know it when they experience it - and if concerned should politely remind transgressors of their shared obligations (obviously if safe to do so !).   There is little special about sailing clubs and sailing that makes interactions with this naive and potentially dangerous minority any worse than elsewhere.   If/when  I became concerned at any time about such basic safety in this 'new normal' at a sailing club I would  simply leave/avoid - as I would anywhere else.. 

Personally I think the 'previous' lockdown restrictions should have continued for some time yet given the high numbers still being infected every day in mainland UK but will sail now rather than just walk / run / cycle as a form of recreation.   My overall risk level has not changed.


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Sadly, all going pear-shaped on the Restart Sailing FB Group. Seems a shame as it has good intent. Like all of these types of groups (and here), it can quickly get heated and personal with many different views and interpretations ....
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I think the 6 people gathering is causing some confusion. To me, at a sailing race the parts that would constitute a gathering or meeting would be a race briefing, where are in proximity, even 2m distance, for prolonged time. Like a church service, or BBQ etc. 

If this rule were to be in place for some time I would think it worthwhile to get some clarification of jut what constitutes a gathering. But, I rather expect it to change before we'll get a definitive answer. 
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People getting hot under the collar is understandable, think of the implications of a outbreak at 'Shustoke'.
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We had a "line" start for what we considered to be an informal race ... no club involvement, in the harbour, with a synced watch "start", to be fair about 10 on the "line".  Some Wag posted a comment on local social media which raised sensitive eyebrows from the harbour authority.  So our WhatsApp group have agreed to no more than six and rabbit starts for the forseeable.  With hindsight I can see how non-sailing sensibilities might be offended, though I cannot see the risk, but then I want to get racing.
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Originally posted by davidyacht

We had a "line" start for what we considered to be an informal race ... no club involvement, in the harbour, with a synced watch "start", to be fair about 10 on the "line".† Some Wag posted a comment on local social media which raised sensitive eyebrows from the harbour authority.† So our WhatsApp group have agreed to no more than six and rabbit starts for the forseeable.† With hindsight I can see how non-sailing sensibilities might be offended, though I cannot see the risk, but then I want to get racing.


What exactly was it that caused the HMís eyebrows to raise?
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Originally posted by sargesail

Originally posted by davidyacht

We had a "line" start for what we considered to be an informal race ... no club involvement, in the harbour, with a synced watch "start", to be fair about 10 on the "line".  Some Wag posted a comment on local social media which raised sensitive eyebrows from the harbour authority.  So our WhatsApp group have agreed to no more than six and rabbit starts for the forseeable.  With hindsight I can see how non-sailing sensibilities might be offended, though I cannot see the risk, but then I want to get racing.


What exactly was it that caused the HMís eyebrows to raise?

Our HM has been very supportive of us getting back on the water, though apparently looking for clear signals from the RYA.
 
The line start and the numbers involved ... highlighted by a social media post by a non-sailor.  To be frank we were probably all a little too enthusiastic when let off the hook.

My reason for posting is that rabbit starts, numbers six or less out of sight of the public are less likely to provoke a reaction ... a lesson learned, and which can be passed onto others.
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We're looking at pursuit races, where starts are staggered, for a mix of classes. 

Alternatively, if you are all in your Solos David, you could always go car-rally style, setting off 30 seconds or a minute apart, then note your finish order and time yourselves at the final mark
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Originally posted by davidyacht


Originally posted by sargesail

Originally posted by davidyacht

We had a "line" start for what we considered to be an informal race ... no club involvement, in the harbour, with a synced watch "start", to be fair about 10 on the "line".† Some Wag posted a comment on local social media which raised sensitive eyebrows from the harbour authority.† So our WhatsApp group have agreed to no more than six and rabbit starts for the forseeable.† With hindsight I can see how non-sailing sensibilities might be offended, though I cannot see the risk, but then I want to get racing.


What exactly was it that caused the HMís eyebrows to raise?
Our HM has been very supportive of us getting back on the water, though apparently looking for clear signals from the RYA.†
The line start and the numbers involved ... highlighted by a social media post by a non-sailor. †To be frank we were probably all a little too enthusiastic when let off the hook.
My reason for posting is that rabbit starts, numbers six or less out of sight of the public are less likely to provoke a reaction ... a lesson learned, and which can be passed onto others.


I think on numbers a fair cop (especially if it was before Monday). But not the line start.

ĎLet us reckon the vain tittle-tattle of old men (social media afficianados) at naughtí.
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