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    Posted: 29 May 20 at 12:02pm
I thought racing, as an organised sporting event, would not be allowed at present. Regardless of the rights and wrongs of the govt policies in place, is this racing at Shustoke legal?
https://www.yachtsandyachting.com/news/229140/Shustoke-Sailing-Club-back-open-for-sailing
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Would have thought Water Authority had final say, the article thanked them for allowing it to go ahead.
What rules are you applying?
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I would have thought not....until Monday when 6 could race together.

I have long been thinking though that, at least for singlehanded,the block on racing is not the requirements of Covid 19 regulations during racing, but rather launching, safety, race management etc.

It is next to impossible to get within 2m of another person while racing and keeping clear. The exceptions are opposite tack downwind and helm of one boat with crew of another in conditions when they are sat on opposite sides of the boat.

Take it down to the Optimist....it just fails on the impossible....but only just: 1.12m wide with a boom of over 2m length. At max protruding 1.55m and the helm another metre to windward. Sheeting in reduces that protrusion....but not by much.....and the gap tends to get wider....
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Been to several clubs with shore launching where social distancing would still be possible even with 12 boats, but, yes it does state 6 people and still maintain social distancing, would this apply to a sports venue? You are not in fact going to meet a specific person.
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I think the main thing is the 2m rule for different households in race boxes and patrol boats. If you can avoid this then there is nothing that stops competitive sailing. 

There's a small issue with the 'meet with one other person from another household' and soon to be 'up to six people'. But it's unclear what constitutes 'meeting'. 

For example, I can go to the park to explicitly meet (2m apart) a friend, or go for a walk etc. Obviously there might be many people at the park also walking or jogging or whatever. But, it's fine as you're not there to 'meet' them. 

Are other boats at a sailing club like other joggers in a park? Or are they implicitly part of the same gathering? At what point do people in the same place for the same reason become part of the same gathering? It's all a bit grey. 

There would be a case that as soon as you publish official start time or an official event, then everyone participating is part of a singular gathering.

The reality is, if you're outdoors, and well spaced, the transmission risk is low, and whether there are 20 people there out of coincidence or through design makes little difference. However, limiting gatherings to 2 (or soon to be 6) does make it a lot easier for police to break things up before groups become large and inhibitions are removed and the 2m rule goes out of the window. 

I don't recall club racing ever slowly morphing in to a situation where 50 people are hugging and kissing... although a FED week party is another matter!

On the other hand, an informal race to a buoy and back with whoever happens to be on the water is plenty enough for me. I've long been of the opinion that NoR, SI's, flags and even results don't add much to my club racing experience and I've not missed them on the last couple outings at HISC. It's not a area I particularly want the club to push the rules on. 
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I agree with A2Z

As soon as the club take ownership of several people using the facilities and put people on duty I think it becomes a gathering.

I wouldnít do it.

If several people choose to see who is the fastest I think is different. The important thing for me is that the club stays out of it.

Are they doing any harm? No.
Are they breaking the rules? Yes, I think they are.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Jamie600 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 May 20 at 2:02pm
I wondered the same last weekend as our club re-opened.

Everyone was maintaining distance, within their household units, however we were talking to each other (while maintaining distance).

Current rules state you can exercise in a public place such as a park, while maintaining distance, but can only meet one person from outside your household, again at a distance.

If you imagine the sailing club as a park, are we technically breaking the rules by 'meeting'?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote A2Z Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 May 20 at 2:10pm
Thanks for the thoughts.  This isnít so much a question of whether it is safe or even sensible, but whether it is actually allowed.  If you go for a free sail that seems analogous to joggers in a park, but if you schedule a race at a set time that seems much more like a gathering to me and regardless of whether you keep 2m apart I didnít think that was allowed?

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The Government regs on exercise for June remain unchanged in that you can only play a sport against one other person, but you can now socially mix up to six from two different households.  So e.g presumably family team tennis doubles is OK after all?  Confusing.

The RYA is encouraging competition on the water around individual time trials etc., and apparently it is OK for these to be "organised" informally by individuals used social media etc.  I note the latest RYA doc on return to racing talks about e.g. gate starts in the context of sometime in the future when more organised racing is allowed.

So I agree with Paramedic.  I can't see how Shustoke's racing conforms with the rules.
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