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Post Options Post Options   Quote 423zero Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Feb 20 at 7:36pm
That would work, and do a couple of broad reaches.
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By the Lee and broad reach if you want to avoid gybing
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Post Options Post Options   Quote 423zero Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Feb 20 at 7:50pm
Sailing by the lee takes some nerve the first time you try it.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote GarethT Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Feb 20 at 7:52pm
I thought that, but in the Europe it is rock steady. So much more stable.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sam.Spoons Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Feb 20 at 9:38pm
Originally posted by GarethT

Originally posted by Sam.Spoons


I was shot down in flames on FB for suggesting that sheeting out upwind (when the leech tension is controlled by the mainsheet not the kicker) in a Europe* to allow more twist and spill wind from the top of the sail as I do in the Spice and Blaze. The argument was that the mast straightened and powered up the sail. 
But, whatever the boat, if you are overpowered down wind then sailing the angles is safer (though the gybe may be somewhat scary). 
* I sailed an OK in my youth so am still very interested in the latest developements/techniques of that type of unstayed rig.



You weren't shot down in flames. People just pointed out the correct technique, in a perfectly friendly way.

Fair comment,  Embarrassed

I follow the Europe page as I think I'll probably end up with either a Europe or an OK at some point. And I did delete my uninformed advice (not simply out of embarrassment, though that was a factor, but to not mislead others)........


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Blaze 671 "supersonic soap dish"
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Originally posted by ian.r.mcdonald

I also have a mark on my board so that I can set it with perhaps the same depth as the rudder to give a bit of stability in exciting stuff.

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I have no idea about Europes, but as an observer of the odd race from rescue boats etc, the broad reach over kickered route tends to result in a broach when the gust hits, and too much kicker will end badly for the reach to reach gybe, which will be easier with just enough kicker off to depower the sail, but enough to avoid a windward roll.

Probably the most important thing is to be firm and decisive with the helm and boat, this is the most obvious thing that separates the front of the fleet from the back of a fleet on a windy day.
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I am aware that my skill level needs to develop somewhat but if you don't sail you don't learn. 

Today everything was fine for a while. I was sailing by the lee; I found that when a gust hit the boat it heels with the boom heading for the sky. I guess I just need to be better with my weight distribution and be ready to react before it goes over.  I does all feel a little out of control though.

I wasn't the only one struggling today, the majority of the fleet had at least one swim. Gusty and shifty pond... 

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Post Options Post Options   Quote epicfail Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Feb 20 at 11:52pm
If I feel it going a bit wrong sailing by the lee I guess heading up would be an option to get some stability back?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote GarethT Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Feb 20 at 12:13am
Counter intuitive, but pull the tiller towards you!

The boat whisperer dvd that someone has already suggested explains it all.

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